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'[PIC] PIC10F got competition from Atmel'
2009\04\21@011325 by Xiaofan Chen

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www.atmel.com/dyn/corporate/view_detail.asp?FileName=ATtiny10_4_15.html
Same size but faster.

Atmel is 5 years late.
http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=2018&mcparam=en540857

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2009\04\21@025539 by Tamas Rudnai

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Maybe 5 years late, but that's like a 18F in an SOT23-6 package with the
enhanced instruction set, interrupt handling, 16 bit timer with PWM module
etc... PIC has only a baseline in that small size. And the pin-out is
exactly the same...

Tamas


On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 6:13 AM, Xiaofan Chen <spam_OUTxiaofancTakeThisOuTspamgmail.com> wrote:

>
> www.atmel.com/dyn/corporate/view_detail.asp?FileName=ATtiny10_4_15.html
> Same size but faster.
>
> Atmel is 5 years late.
>
> http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=2018&mcparam=en540857
>
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> Xiaofan http://mcuee.blogspot.com
> -

2009\04\21@043934 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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And funny they called it ATtiny *10*... :-) :-)

Jan-Erik.

Tamas Rudnai wrote:
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2009\04\21@055729 by Alan B. Pearce

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> www.atmel.com/dyn/corporate/view_detail.asp?FileName=ATtiny10_4_15.html
> Same size but faster.

Hmm, an awful lot in a tiny chip ... but still no user accessible EEPROM. I
am looking for a chip like this but with around 8 bytes of code accessible
EEPROM.

2009\04\21@131918 by Bob Axtell

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The main problem with the PIC10F is that it has no brown-out-reset.
This one oversight has killed several applications because of
unreliable startup.

The ATmel '10' probably has corrected that oversight.

On 4/21/09, Alan B. Pearce <Alan.B.PearcespamKILLspamstfc.ac.uk> wrote:
>> www.atmel.com/dyn/corporate/view_detail.asp?FileName=ATtiny10_4_15.html
>> Same size but faster.
>
> Hmm, an awful lot in a tiny chip ... but still no user accessible EEPROM. I
> am looking for a chip like this but with around 8 bytes of code accessible
> EEPROM.
>
> -

2009\04\21@163630 by solarwind

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But will it be competitive in terms of pricing? I mean - the PIC10s
are really inexpensive.

2009\04\21@184508 by Tamas Rudnai

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10F200 is $0.46 @3kpcs (half of the prog memory and smaller ram):
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=PIC10F200T-I/OTTR-ND

10F202 is at $0.50 @3kpcs (similar prog size at ATtiny10 with the 512
instruction prog memory and 24 RAM space)
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=PIC10F202T-I/OTTR-ND

10F222 is at $0.56 @3kpcs (this is like the 202 but with an AD converter,
like the ATtiny10)
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=PIC10F222T-I/OTTR-ND

ATtiny10 is $0.518 @5kpcs (with all the advanced stuff + 32 ram + 16
registers):
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=ATTINY10-TSHR-ND

So yes, where every penny counts PIC could still beat AVR but the difference
does not seem to be that much.

Tamas


On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:36 PM, solarwind <.....x.solarwind.xKILLspamspam.....gmail.com> wrote:

> But will it be competitive in terms of pricing? I mean - the PIC10s
> are really inexpensive.
> -

2009\04\23@011827 by M. Adam Davis

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I wonder what happened to that microchip patent on microcontrollers
with more bits than pins (am I remembering that correctly?).  It may
have taken them this long to start licensing it to Atmel, or it took
this long for Atmel to strongarm Microchip through other patent cross
licensing...

-Adam

2009/4/21 Xiaofan Chen <EraseMExiaofancspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTgmail.com>:
> www.atmel.com/dyn/corporate/view_detail.asp?FileName=ATtiny10_4_15.html
> Same size but faster.
>
> Atmel is 5 years late.
> http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=2018&mcparam=en540857
>
> --
> Xiaofan http://mcuee.blogspot.com
> -

2009\04\23@013701 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 1:18 PM, M. Adam Davis <stienmanspamspam_OUTgmail.com> wrote:
> I wonder what happened to that microchip patent on microcontrollers
> with more bits than pins (am I remembering that correctly?).  It may
> have taken them this long to start licensing it to Atmel, or it took
> this long for Atmel to strongarm Microchip through other patent cross
> licensing...
>

Or maybe Microchip is afraid that more patents to be invalidated
in court.
www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2009/03/04/20090304biz-microchip0304.html
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/1964286/

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