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2006\08\11@101531 by Howard Winter

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Looking on the Microchip web site today, I noticed a new PICkit 2 product:  "DV164121 - PICkit 2 Debug Express"  for the same price as the
"Starter Kit".

The description doesn't really say much about what you get, but the photo shows the PICkit 2 itself plus a board which isn't the Low Pin
Count demo board, but the picture isn't big enough to see what it is.  Shipping date is the 1st of September.

I've tried searching the MChip web site, but it doesn't give any hits on the part number - I find this is often the case, annoyingly.

Anyone know anything about this?  (Xiaofan always seems to have more information on PICkits that the Microchip web site! :-)  I was about
to buy another PICkit2, but this has caused me to wonder if I should wait a few weeks and get this bundle instead.

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2006\08\11@200801 by William Couture

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On 8/11/06, Howard Winter <spam_OUTHDRWTakeThisOuTspamh2org.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Looking on the Microchip web site today, I noticed a new PICkit 2 product:
> "DV164121 - PICkit 2 Debug Express"  for the same price as the "Starter Kit".
>
> The description doesn't really say much about what you get, but the photo shows the
> PICkit 2 itself plus a board which isn't the Low Pin Count demo board, but the picture
> isn't big enough to see what it is.  Shipping date is the 1st of September.
>
> I've tried searching the MChip web site, but it doesn't give any hits on the part number - I
> find this is often the case, annoyingly.

Google is your friend.  There is a single link for "DV164121".

The page is in Russian, and Google doesn't seem to have a Russian to English
translator available, but it seems that information was given at the Masters 06
conference, and there is a better picture.

If someone on the list could translate, that would be nice.

Bill

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2006\08\11@210700 by Sean Schouten

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On 8/11/06, Howard Winter <.....HDRWKILLspamspam@spam@h2org.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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> Looking on the Microchip web site today, I noticed a new PICkit 2
> product:  "DV164121 - PICkit 2 Debug Express"  for the same price as the
> "Starter Kit".
>
> The description doesn't really say much about what you get, but the photo
> shows the PICkit 2 itself plus a board which isn't the Low Pin
> Count demo board, but the picture isn't big enough to see what it
> is.  Shipping date is the 1st of September.



This is on the Microchip website under the product information for PicKit2:

I quote:

PICkit™ 2 Debug Express enables in-circuit debugging on selected
PIC(r)microcontrollers. In-circuit debugging runs, halts and single
steps the
{Quote hidden}

Was this what you where looking for or am I an idiot? :-)

Sean

2006\08\11@211523 by Howard Winter

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Bill,

On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:34:37 -0400, William Couture wrote:

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> Google is your friend.  There is a single link for "DV164121".
>
> The page is in Russian, and Google doesn't seem to have a Russian to English
> translator available, but it seems that information was given at the Masters 06
> conference, and there is a better picture.

Thanks for that.  It just shows how fast these things move - I did Google it before I posted, and there were no hits then!

It looks like it's a 16F917 prototyping board, with the '917 soldered on (I think it reads "44 pin demo board"), which isn't high on my
list of desireables, but I'd like to see a bit more about it before I decide.

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2006\08\11@225738 by Xiaofan Chen
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On 8/11/06, Howard Winter <HDRWspamKILLspamh2org.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Looking on the Microchip web site today, I noticed a new PICkit 2
> product:  "DV164121 - PICkit 2 Debug Express"  for the same price
> as the "Starter Kit".
>
> The description doesn't really say much about what you get, but
> the photo shows the PICkit 2 itself plus a board which isn't the Low Pin
> Count demo board, but the picture isn't big enough to see what it is.
> Shipping date is the 1st of September.

> Anyone know anything about this?  (Xiaofan always seems to have more
> information on PICkits that the Microchip web site! :-)  I was about
> to buy another PICkit2, but this has caused me to wonder if I should
> wait a few weeks and get this bundle instead.
>

Yes I have the Debug Express. The new 44-pin demo board uses PIC16F917.
Why 16F917? Because currently MPLAB only integrate the support for
PICkit 2 debugging and programming for PIC16F917.

There is nothing much inside the demo board (similar to the LPC
demo board). But it is good to get this board if you want to try the
PICkit 2 as an ICD2-like debugger under MPLAB.

Regards,
Xiaofan

2006\08\11@235141 by WH Tan

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2006/8/11, Howard Winter wrote:
> Looking on the Microchip web site today, I noticed a new PICkit 2 product:  "DV164121 - PICkit 2 Debug Express"  for the same price as the
> "Starter Kit".
>
> The description doesn't really say much about what you get, but the photo shows the PICkit 2 itself plus a board which isn't the Low Pin
> Count demo board, but the picture isn't big enough to see what it is.  Shipping date is the 1st of September.
>
> I've tried searching the MChip web site, but it doesn't give any hits on the part number - I find this is often the case, annoyingly.
>
> Anyone know anything about this?  (Xiaofan always seems to have more information on PICkits that the Microchip web site! :-)  I was about
> to buy another PICkit2, but this has caused me to wonder if I should wait a few weeks and get this bundle instead.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Howard Winter
> St.Albans, England


Hello Howard,

Perhaps those who were back from the MASTER 06 know... But I heard a
rumour: it's a package with DM164120-2.  This is a testing board with
PIC16F917 in TQFP-44.


Best regards,

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2006\08\12@055316 by Howard Winter

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Xiaofan,

On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:03:38 -0400, Xiaofan Chen wrote:

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> Yes I have the Debug Express. The new 44-pin demo board uses PIC16F917.
> Why 16F917? Because currently MPLAB only integrate the support for
> PICkit 2 debugging and programming for PIC16F917.

Right - I hope there's an implied "at the moment" on the end of that!  I am expecting programming (at least) from MPLAB to be extended to
most of the PIC range soon.  In fact I was expecting it in 7.4, but as you say they only included the 917.

> There is nothing much inside the demo board (similar to the LPC
> demo board). But it is good to get this board if you want to try the
> PICkit 2 as an ICD2-like debugger under MPLAB.

OK I understand, but most of what I do uses 20 pin PICs and below, so I'm not sure having a board with a 44 pin device fixed to it is
going to be of much use to me.  I think I'll just go for the version with the LPC demo board, again.

Thanks very much for the information - I thought you might know!  :-)

I've just tried another search for the part number on Microchip's web site and it now has one hit - an article in this month's
MicroSolutions newsletter.  It seems I found the thing just as information about it was starting to become available, but I was a bit
early!  I still don't understand why the part-number search doesn't find the pages that others have pointed to...

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2006\08\14@033152 by Alan B. Pearce

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>OK I understand, but most of what I do uses 20 pin PICs
>and below, so I'm not sure having a board with a 44 pin
>device fixed to it is going to be of much use to me.
>I think I'll just go for the version with the LPC demo
>board, again.

But you could always use the F917 as your development unit while debugging,
and then transfer the code to the relevant chip once sorted. ISTR there is
an app note about doing that using the F877 as the debug chip for F84 and
similar family members.

2006\08\14@051839 by Howard Winter

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Alan,

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 08:31:48 +0100, Alan B. Pearce wrote:

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Granted, but it is quite a huge jump from, say, an 8-pin device to the 917 - the differences in all sorts of things (not just the
pincount) are enough that there's a good chance I'd have to have two development phases - debugging first on the 917 then again on the
actual target (I know how good I am at remembering all the differences between PICs! :-)  I very much prefer to develop on the actual
target in the first place.

For any other Brits thinking of getting a PICKIT2, I've found that Farnell still have in stock a promotional bundle (for £25.15 inc.VAT)
which includes a number of sample PICs: http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=9945350

If that link gets broken, look for order code 9945350.

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2006\08\14@061025 by Tamas Rudnai

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Howard,

I do not know how big is your project and how badly it relies on the circuit
but I have spent on lots of working hours in front of a simulator, created
lots of different stimulus files, then when I felt it is ready I had to just
programmed into the chip and get tested. Everything was ok except two minor
things so that I had to create further stimulus files but it took 2 hours or
less to get get it over. So I do not know, it is either a bad or a good
thing to simulate instead of debugging but you may can try it 'for free of
charge' using MPLAB or you can have a look at gpsim or other simulatros that
could also simulate some basic components (LCD, LED, serial EEPROM).

Actually, I could not find any circuit simulator that could be integrated
with PIC simulators -- is anybody have seen one of those?

Tamas



On 14/08/06, Howard Winter <.....HDRWKILLspamspam.....h2org.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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2006\08\14@090556 by olin piclist

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Howard Winter wrote:
> Granted, but it is quite a huge jump from, say, an 8-pin device to the
> 917 - the differences in all sorts of things (not just the
> pincount) are enough that there's a good chance I'd have to have two
> development phases

Not really if you write the code the right way.  My PIC development
environment (http://www.embedinc.com/pic) makes it easy to write code that
transfers easily between PICs, especially if they have the same core as the
two you are talking about do.

To change a working project to another PIC:

1  -  Change the processor selection, oscillator frequency, and possibly the
software stack location and size in the xxxLIB.INS.ASPIC file.

2  -  Change the config bit settings in the SRTS module.

3  -  Change the linker file to that of the target PIC.

4  -  Possibly change the /INBIT and /OUTBIT I/O bit declarations in the
xxx.INS.ASPIC file if you need to use different port pins between the two
PICs.

If you've done everything else right, there should be no changes required in
the executable code.


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