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'[PIC] MicroChip sample policy change'

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Apparently MicroChip has made a 'selective' change in sample policy.

When I tried to order some samples last night I found the following

informative message:

> Effective September 22, 2004, the Microchip Samples site will no

> longer allow sample orders from generic ISP accounts in Belgium,

> Canada, Greece, Israel, Malaysia, Mexico, Netherlands, Portugal,

> South Korea, and Spain. If you find that your sample order has 

> been refused, please visit the buy.microchip.com site where you

> may purchase the parts, or contact your local sales representative

> for assistance. 

No indication of a reason nor an explanation why these countries in

particular and not some other (neighbouring) countries like Germany,

France, UK.

Regards, Rob.

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What do they mean by generic?

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From: "Rob Hamerling" <spam_OUTr.hamerlingTakeThisOuThccnet.nl>

To: "PIClist" <.....PICLISTKILLspam@spam@MIT.EDU>

Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 11:41 AM

Subject: [PIC] MicroChip sample policy change

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> {I have tried to sent this msg about 10 hours ago, but so far it didn't 

> show up here. Sorry if it appears twice}.

> 

> Apparently MicroChip has made a 'selective' change in sample policy.

> When I tried to order some samples last night I found the following

> informative message:

> 

> > Effective September 22, 2004, the Microchip Samples site will no

> > longer allow sample orders from generic ISP accounts in Belgium,

> > Canada, Greece, Israel, Malaysia, Mexico, Netherlands, Portugal,

> > South Korea, and Spain. If you find that your sample order has 

> > been refused, please visit the buy.microchip.com site where you

> > may purchase the parts, or contact your local sales representative

> > for assistance. 

> 

> No indication of a reason nor an explanation why these countries in

> particular and not some other (neighbouring) countries like Germany,

> France, UK.

> 

> Regards, Rob.

> 

> -- 

> Rob Hamerling, Vianen, NL phone +31-347-322822

> homepage: http://www.robh.nl/

> 

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I think generic means an address ending with something like @hotmail.com because someone could go and generate hundreds of bogus email addresses and get lots of samples sent to them.

Tim

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> What do they mean by generic?

Probably if it's not on a preapproved list, like a list of their customers

domains.

Unless it's the other way, maybe they have a blacklist.

-Bob

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I tried to use my gereric adress years ago and it wouldnt work, i didnt

think it was a new thing.

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Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 12:21 PM

Subject: RE: [PIC] MicroChip sample policy change

> I think generic means an address ending with something like @hotmail.com

because someone could go and generate hundreds of bogus email addresses and

get lots of samples sent to them.

>

> Tim

>

> {Original Message removed}
On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 12:04, mrgizmo wrote:

> What do they mean by generic?

My guess would be the "yahoo" type address, but that's just a guess.

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>What do they mean by generic?

I would think the term means yahoo, hotmail, MSN etc. If the shipping

address is in one of the countries listed when using one of these "free"

account types, then they will not ship.

Just my interpretation, I have no means of knowing what Microchip may

actually mean by the term.

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Maybe then (MC) have found out about the

three-unit eBay auctions ? :-)

Jan-Erik.

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Alan B. Pearce wrote:

>>What do they mean by generic?

> 

> 

> I would think the term means yahoo, hotmail, MSN etc. If the shipping

> address is in one of the countries listed when using one of these "free"

> account types, then they will not ship.

> 

> Just my interpretation, I have no means of knowing what Microchip may

> actually mean by the term.

> 

Well, if that would be the correct interpretation, my Email address

isn't generic. Still my sample order is refused for the following reason:

> We were unable to process your request for samples due to the

> reason(s) outlined below.

>

>    * Microchip currently only accepts business sample orders for the

> country selected.   We therefore cannot accept your order.  We

> apologize for this inconvenience.  If this order is for a business

> use, please register under your business account or contact your local

> Microchip sales or distribution partner to request samples directly.

What is a 'business' sample order? I did fill in a company name. And if

I do not qualify for sample orders (anymore), why do they allow me to

build an order, let me fill in the purpose, let me agree with the

conditions and only at the very end refuse to accept it?

I sent an Email to the samplessupport team to explain what it all means, 

but I never got a reply on any Email to MicroChip.....

Rob.

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I have had great success obtaining samples from my local business rep,  I got the latest samples before the Microchip website was even setup for samples.  And the Sales rep was very professional and quicker than the Sample site.

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Rob Hamerling wrote :

> > I would think the term means yahoo, hotmail, MSN etc. If 

> > the shipping address is in one of the countries listed when

> > using one of these "free" account types, then they will not ship.

> > 

> > Just my interpretation, I have no means of knowing what 

> > Microchip may actually mean by the term.

> > 

> 

> Well, if that would be the correct interpretation, my Email address

> isn't generic...

That might depend on how Microchip has decided to classify HCCNET.

Is that your ISP or are you just using their "webmail" service ?

> >  * Microchip currently only accepts business sample orders for the

> > country selected...

The question is, how do they know if the requestor is running a

"business" or not ? Can anyone register on HCCNET ?

I would guess that e.g. "philips.nl" would be concidered as a

"business" domain... :-) :-)

And, it don't have to be the fault of Microchip, they might just be

buying domian lists from some provider out there for that

kind of information. A bit like those providing black-lists with

spamming domains.

But, finaly, I don't understand why the specific *country* would make

any difference !

Best Regards,

Jan-Erik.

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They don't go by email address though, they go by mailing address.

Shawn Wilton

http://black9.net

EraseMEtim_webbspam_OUTTakeThisOuTagilent.com wrote:

> I think generic means an address ending with something like @hotmail.com because someone could go and generate hundreds of bogus email addresses and get lots of samples sent to them.

> 

> Tim

> 

> {Original Message removed}
On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 11:41, Rob Hamerling wrote:

> {I have tried to sent this msg about 10 hours ago, but so far it didn't 

> show up here. Sorry if it appears twice}.

> 

> Apparently MicroChip has made a 'selective' change in sample policy.

> When I tried to order some samples last night I found the following

> informative message:

> 

> > Effective September 22, 2004, the Microchip Samples site will no

> > longer allow sample orders from generic ISP accounts in Belgium,

> > Canada, Greece, Israel, Malaysia, Mexico, Netherlands, Portugal,

> > South Korea, and Spain. If you find that your sample order has 

> > been refused, please visit the buy.microchip.com site where you

> > may purchase the parts, or contact your local sales representative

> > for assistance. 

> 

> No indication of a reason nor an explanation why these countries in

> particular and not some other (neighbouring) countries like Germany,

> France, UK.

On top of that they seem to have instilled a limit per domain as well. 

When I used my work email (big computer graphics company) I got a

message stating that too many orders came from my "address group", or

something like that.

I tried again with my home email address and that worked. Go figure.

TTYL

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On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 19:40, Shawn Wilton wrote:

> They don't go by email address though, they go by mailing address.

Ahh, that would make sense... TTYL

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What about 'public' DHCP IP address of the host that was used to request

the samples? There are already lists of ranges of IP addresses in use by

some SMTP mail servers that use them to try to cut down on the amount of

spam, and more recently viruses, from 'home dialup' accounts - so why

can't this be applied to web site submissions to worm out most of the

'non-business' users?

By what Alan was saying below - IP ranges could be the most probable

answer. Going back to the mailing address idea - I don't think it would

be fair to restrict by the mailing address. What about the

home-based-workers? What about the self-employed that happen to be

running a business from home? It wouldn't be fair to single out these

guys!! However, I guess that these people are going to be less likely

than big businesses to order 5000+ units if 'testing' goes well!

Personally, I think that the MicroChip Sampling scheme is a great idea

and a good business practice to help obtain more brand awareness. Like

anything that thrives off goodwill in this world, however, it is open to

abuse and can fully understand why MC want to bring these restrictions

in place, (we only have to look as far as eBay to find evidence!!)

Cheers,

Stuart

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Jan-Erik,

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:31:23 +0200 (CEST), Jan-Erik 

Soderholm wrote:

> Maybe then (MC) have found out about the three-unit 

eBay auctions ? :-)

Maybe they saw them referred-to on this list, and 

followed it up?  :-(

Mind you, the ones I saw the other day were in the USA!

Cheers,

Howard Winter

St.Albans, England

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