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'[PIC] MicroChip sample policy change'
2004\09\24@114125 by Rob Hamerling

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{I have tried to sent this msg about 10 hours ago, but so far it didn't
show up here. Sorry if it appears twice}.

Apparently MicroChip has made a 'selective' change in sample policy.
When I tried to order some samples last night I found the following
informative message:

> Effective September 22, 2004, the Microchip Samples site will no
> longer allow sample orders from generic ISP accounts in Belgium,
> Canada, Greece, Israel, Malaysia, Mexico, Netherlands, Portugal,
> South Korea, and Spain. If you find that your sample order has
> been refused, please visit the buy.microchip.com site where you
> may purchase the parts, or contact your local sales representative
> for assistance.

No indication of a reason nor an explanation why these countries in
particular and not some other (neighbouring) countries like Germany,
France, UK.

Regards, Rob.

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2004\09\24@120240 by mrgizmo

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What do they mean by generic?
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2004\09\24@122141 by Tim_webb

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I think generic means an address ending with something like @hotmail.com because someone could go and generate hundreds of bogus email addresses and get lots of samples sent to them.

Tim

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2004\09\24@123400 by Bob Blick

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> What do they mean by generic?

Probably if it's not on a preapproved list, like a list of their customers
domains.

Unless it's the other way, maybe they have a blacklist.

-Bob


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2004\09\24@123601 by mrgizmo
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I tried to use my gereric adress years ago and it wouldnt work, i didnt
think it was a new thing.
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Subject: RE: [PIC] MicroChip sample policy change


> I think generic means an address ending with something like @hotmail.com
because someone could go and generate hundreds of bogus email addresses and
get lots of samples sent to them.
>
> Tim
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> {Original Message removed}

2004\09\24@125741 by Herbert Graf

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On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 12:04, mrgizmo wrote:
> What do they mean by generic?

My guess would be the "yahoo" type address, but that's just a guess.
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2004\09\24@130944 by Alan B. Pearce

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>What do they mean by generic?

I would think the term means yahoo, hotmail, MSN etc. If the shipping
address is in one of the countries listed when using one of these "free"
account types, then they will not ship.

Just my interpretation, I have no means of knowing what Microchip may
actually mean by the term.

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2004\09\24@133124 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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Maybe then (MC) have found out about the
three-unit eBay auctions ? :-)

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2004\09\24@141556 by Rob Hamerling

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Alan B. Pearce wrote:
>>What do they mean by generic?
>
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> I would think the term means yahoo, hotmail, MSN etc. If the shipping
> address is in one of the countries listed when using one of these "free"
> account types, then they will not ship.
>
> Just my interpretation, I have no means of knowing what Microchip may
> actually mean by the term.
>

Well, if that would be the correct interpretation, my Email address
isn't generic. Still my sample order is refused for the following reason:

> We were unable to process your request for samples due to the
> reason(s) outlined below.
>
>    * Microchip currently only accepts business sample orders for the
> country selected.   We therefore cannot accept your order.  We
> apologize for this inconvenience.  If this order is for a business
> use, please register under your business account or contact your local
> Microchip sales or distribution partner to request samples directly.

What is a 'business' sample order? I did fill in a company name. And if
I do not qualify for sample orders (anymore), why do they allow me to
build an order, let me fill in the purpose, let me agree with the
conditions and only at the very end refuse to accept it?

I sent an Email to the samplessupport team to explain what it all means,
but I never got a reply on any Email to MicroChip.....

Rob.


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2004\09\24@143751 by Tim_webb

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I have had great success obtaining samples from my local business rep,  I got the latest samples before the Microchip website was even setup for samples.  And the Sales rep was very professional and quicker than the Sample site.

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2004\09\24@180806 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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Rob Hamerling wrote :

> > I would think the term means yahoo, hotmail, MSN etc. If
> > the shipping address is in one of the countries listed when
> > using one of these "free" account types, then they will not ship.
> >
> > Just my interpretation, I have no means of knowing what
> > Microchip may actually mean by the term.
> >
>
> Well, if that would be the correct interpretation, my Email address
> isn't generic...

That might depend on how Microchip has decided to classify HCCNET.
Is that your ISP or are you just using their "webmail" service ?

> >  * Microchip currently only accepts business sample orders for the
> > country selected...

The question is, how do they know if the requestor is running a
"business" or not ? Can anyone register on HCCNET ?

I would guess that e.g. "philips.nl" would be concidered as a
"business" domain... :-) :-)

And, it don't have to be the fault of Microchip, they might just be
buying domian lists from some provider out there for that
kind of information. A bit like those providing black-lists with
spamming domains.

But, finaly, I don't understand why the specific *country* would make
any difference !

Best Regards,
Jan-Erik.
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2004\09\24@194019 by Shawn Wilton

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They don't go by email address though, they go by mailing address.


Shawn Wilton

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EraseMEtim_webbspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTagilent.com wrote:
> I think generic means an address ending with something like @hotmail.com because someone could go and generate hundreds of bogus email addresses and get lots of samples sent to them.
>
> Tim
>
> {Original Message removed}

2004\09\24@224545 by Herbert Graf

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On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 11:41, Rob Hamerling wrote:
> {I have tried to sent this msg about 10 hours ago, but so far it didn't
> show up here. Sorry if it appears twice}.
>
> Apparently MicroChip has made a 'selective' change in sample policy.
> When I tried to order some samples last night I found the following
> informative message:
>
> > Effective September 22, 2004, the Microchip Samples site will no
> > longer allow sample orders from generic ISP accounts in Belgium,
> > Canada, Greece, Israel, Malaysia, Mexico, Netherlands, Portugal,
> > South Korea, and Spain. If you find that your sample order has
> > been refused, please visit the buy.microchip.com site where you
> > may purchase the parts, or contact your local sales representative
> > for assistance.
>
> No indication of a reason nor an explanation why these countries in
> particular and not some other (neighbouring) countries like Germany,
> France, UK.

On top of that they seem to have instilled a limit per domain as well.

When I used my work email (big computer graphics company) I got a
message stating that too many orders came from my "address group", or
something like that.

I tried again with my home email address and that worked. Go figure.
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2004\09\24@224817 by Herbert Graf

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On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 19:40, Shawn Wilton wrote:
> They don't go by email address though, they go by mailing address.

Ahh, that would make sense... TTYL

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2004\09\25@041822 by SHands

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What about 'public' DHCP IP address of the host that was used to request
the samples? There are already lists of ranges of IP addresses in use by
some SMTP mail servers that use them to try to cut down on the amount of
spam, and more recently viruses, from 'home dialup' accounts - so why
can't this be applied to web site submissions to worm out most of the
'non-business' users?

By what Alan was saying below - IP ranges could be the most probable
answer. Going back to the mailing address idea - I don't think it would
be fair to restrict by the mailing address. What about the
home-based-workers? What about the self-employed that happen to be
running a business from home? It wouldn't be fair to single out these
guys!! However, I guess that these people are going to be less likely
than big businesses to order 5000+ units if 'testing' goes well!

Personally, I think that the MicroChip Sampling scheme is a great idea
and a good business practice to help obtain more brand awareness. Like
anything that thrives off goodwill in this world, however, it is open to
abuse and can fully understand why MC want to bring these restrictions
in place, (we only have to look as far as eBay to find evidence!!)

Cheers,
Stuart

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2004\09\25@064504 by Howard Winter

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Jan-Erik,

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:31:23 +0200 (CEST), Jan-Erik
Soderholm wrote:

> Maybe then (MC) have found out about the three-unit
eBay auctions ? :-)

Maybe they saw them referred-to on this list, and
followed it up?  :-(

Mind you, the ones I saw the other day were in the USA!

Cheers,



Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


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