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2005\04\12@162057 by Tim_webb

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Hi,

I am thinking of going to the Masters 2005 Conference this summer..

Does anyone have any idea if it is really worth it?
Are these Conferences well organized and will I really get anything out of the courses?

I'm currently trying to justify the cost of going to my boss and I need to know if it is worth the cost of $899.00.

My boss is a little resistant to pay for what he believes is only going to be a sales presentation and I can understand his point of view.

I hope to gain more hands on knowledge with their products so that I can implement it into future projects and products.

It appears that if you just add up the cost of lodging and food alone the conference itself is not too bad, almost free anyway.  I could just as easily plan a vacation to the Grand Canyon and get a conference too if I had to pay for this conference out of pocket.

I have some working knowledge of PIC's and have used them in some product designs.  I would still consider myself far from being an expert on these products especially with the newest series of products with the last year or so.

Any input on what to expect or your experiences would be appreciated.

You may contact me offline if you prefer at spam_OUTtim_webbTakeThisOuTspamagilent.com

Thanks in advance for your advice,

Tim



2005\04\12@190418 by Dal Wheeler

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I wondered the same thing last year.  I went and was fairly impressed.  
We're sending 4 of us this year.  They do a pretty good job of
presenting technical information as well as some sales pitch --most of
which was in context so it wasent bad at all.  Some of the dspic classes
overlapped a bit, but they were just spinning up those classes then.  
Microchip is footing quite a bit of the bill.  The Westin resort is
pretty nice.   Pretty  cool  trip even if you were geek minded enough to
consider this a vacation.  Summers in AZ aren't really all that nice so
you can argue with the boss reasonably well that this is strictly
business --unlike the motorola conferences held in Orlando, FL --what
are they thinking?

If you are doing pic designs for a living and have the opportunity to
go; I'd give a strong vote yes.
-Dal

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2005\04\12@231447 by Mauricio Jancic

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Hi,
       To anyone who has gone to the masters before: Are there any costs
needed to make addtionally to the course fee? Besides the taxi from/to the
airport?

Regards,

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2005\04\13@082413 by olin_piclist

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Dal Wheeler wrote:
> Summers in AZ aren't really all that nice so
> you can argue with the boss reasonably well that this is strictly
> business

You can tell your boss whatever you like, but I'm looking forward to taking
a week off after Masters bumping around Arizona.  I did this the last two
years and had a great time.  This included a couple of hikes in the serious
desert west of Roosevelt Lake in the Four Peaks Wilderness.  One time I came
accross *very fresh* cougar tracks in the dust.  The Mogollon Rim area and
north into the Coconino National Forest are also quite scenic and I thought
nice places to visit in the summer.  I wasn't thrilled at all with Sedona,
and plan on staying away from that area.

As for Masters, it's not a sales pitch.  The courses range from really good
and taught by experts to pretty low level and taught by whoever was stading
around the water cooler when they needed a warm body.  Overall, it's well
run and can be well worth it for beginner and intermediate PIC users.  I was
a bit bored last year and too often thought to myself that "I could teach
this class and do a better job".  In fact I tried to teach some classes this
year but didn't figure out how the logistics really worked until too late.
I'll try again next year.

Even so, I'll still be going for three reasons this year.  First, in my
position it's useful to get some face time with various Microchip people.
Second, there are some courses that are useful no matter how much you
already know about PICs.  There is one on future products, and a few other
sessions like that that I found useful.  Some give you an inside look at
what's going on, and there are opportunities to give feedback that I think
Microchip actually listens to.  Third, I'm going to try to use Masters to
raise awareness of my PIC related products, like the ProProg
(http://www.embedinc.com/products), EasyProg, RSLink, and a few that aren't
out yet but hopefully will be by Masters.


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2005\04\13@140941 by Herbert Graf

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On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 14:20 -0600, EraseMEtim_webbspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTagilent.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am thinking of going to the Masters 2005 Conference this summer..
>
> Does anyone have any idea if it is really worth it?

Well that depends on you. I was there last year and was pleasantly
surprised by how good it was.

> Are these Conferences well organized and will I really get anything out of the courses?

Probably the best organized I've ever been too. While you will get a few
classes and situations that aren't 100%, on the whole it's very well put
together and run

> My boss is a little resistant to pay for what he believes is only going to be a sales presentation and I can understand his point of view.

Well, he has no reason to trust my word, but I can tell you that very
few of the courses I attended had any sort of sales slant on them. There
was one that was pushing a 3rd party TCP/IP core a little more then I
liked, but aside from that almost all the content of each course was
very technical.

> I hope to gain more hands on knowledge with their products so that I can implement it into future projects and products.

Then I highly recommend masters, because if you're careful with the
courses you choose all you'll do is hands on stuff! :)

> It appears that if you just add up the cost of lodging and food alone the conference itself is not too bad, almost free anyway.  I could just as easily plan a vacation to the Grand Canyon and get a conference too if I had to pay for this conference out of pocket.

Did the grand canyon trip last year, well worth it, both for the
destination, and for what's more important to me, the journey. Ended up
hitting a few thunderstorms and some hail just north of Flagstaff, so
much hail that I had to switch to "winter driving mode" (the road was
covered in hail at one point, 15mph with the four ways on...), not good
when you're running summer tires...

> I have some working knowledge of PIC's and have used them in some product designs.  I would still consider myself far from being an expert on these products especially with the newest series of products with the last year or so.

That's one area I wasn't sure of. While I had a good amount of
experience with some of the lower end PICs, I was concerned that the
courses would be "over me" in required experience level.

I'm happy to report that didn't happen, in fact some courses were a
little TOO basic for me!

Masters IS a great way to get quick hands on exposure to the newer
stuff. Before masters I never even considered getting into the dsPIC
line, after masters my next project used a dsPIC!

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2005\04\13@141248 by Herbert Graf

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On Wed, 2005-04-13 at 00:14 -0300, Mauricio Jancic wrote:
> Hi,
>        To anyone who has gone to the masters before: Are there any costs
> needed to make addtionally to the course fee? Besides the taxi from/to the
> airport?

If you are staying the "standard" amount of time (arrive Wednesday
morning, leaving Saturday morning) then no, everything you'll need is
included (room, meals and entertainment). They even had a shuttle to
Fry's electronics for those without rentals! :)

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2005\04\13@144103 by Tim_webb

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Anybody know how much the copies of the course hard copies provided by Kinko's are on average per class.  They mention that hard copies are provided at an extra fee.

We get a cd-rom, does it come with all the same material and/or do we get it before we arrive so we can print it out at work or home?

Do I bring my laptop and printer? hmm

Any experience with this part of the conference?

Best regards and thanks for all the input so far, I'm going even if my employer doesn't pay, I will pay my own way and call it a vacation with a few days of serious microchip fun if I have too!

I've always wanted to go to the Grand Canyon anyway, so it's perfect!

Tim



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2005\04\13@155145 by Dal Wheeler

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Hard copies aren't required for the classes.  Anything needed for the
classes were provided.  You get a CD while at the conference that has
all of the classes presentations/materials on it.  I didn't need to get
anything at kinkos while there.  I'd bring a USB memory or a few floppy
disks.  The CD's are done up a bit before the conference so some of the
class example code is a little older than the versions being presented
--they worked on them up until the last minute on some of them.

I brought my laptop to keep in touch --microchip had free wireless
internet in certain areas in the resort.  No need for the laptop in
class though.  They have plenty of machines and equipment in the hands
on classes.

We drove down, so we stopped in vegas, saw hoover dam, etc.. on the way
through.  It's a fun trip despite the heat.  Just make sure your vehicle
has *really* good AC.  The 115F temps are pretty amazing.   "Its a dry
heat...."  :)

-Dal


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2005\04\13@161620 by Tim_webb

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Planning on driving down from SF Bay Area, Vegas is on the list of planned stops as well as the Grand Canyon, will be my first time for both as well at the conference.  Should be a fun trip.

Tim
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2005\04\13@171338 by Mauricio Jancic

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Ohhh, I'm going from Argentina, so the budget is prety small.... But those
places sound nice to meet....

Regards,
Mauricio Jancic
Janso Desarrollos - Microchip Consultants Program Member
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2005\04\13@181119 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 06:13 PM 4/13/2005 -0300, you wrote:
>Ohhh, I'm going from Argentina, so the budget is prety small.... But those
>places sound nice to meet....

It's pretty cheap to rent a car and go see the Grand Canyon if you're so
inclined. One of the tourist attractions that isn't over-hyped IMHO. Try
to get there at sunrise or sunset. I've been to north and south rims, and
they are both good.

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2005\04\13@184646 by Bob J

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On 4/13/05, Olin Lathrop <RemoveMEolin_piclistTakeThisOuTspamembedinc.com> wrote:

> You can tell your boss whatever you like, but I'm looking forward to taking
> a week off after Masters bumping around Arizona.  I did this the last two
> years and had a great time.  This included a couple of hikes in the serious
> desert west of Roosevelt Lake in the Four Peaks Wilderness.  One time I came
> accross *very fresh* cougar tracks in the dust.  The Mogollon Rim area and
> north into the Coconino National Forest are also quite scenic and I thought
> nice places to visit in the summer.  I wasn't thrilled at all with Sedona,
> and plan on staying away from that area.

I was just in the Phoenix area, and just a few miles south of Chandler
where Microchip is located is the Estrella Sailport.  They are the
largest soaring school in the country (in case you haven't hear the
term "soaring" before, it is the act of flying an airplane without an
engine (a glider.))  Even if you have no interest in aviation, its
worth a few bucks to go for a ride.  Pretty neat experience.

Regards,
Bob

2005\04\13@195714 by Bob Axtell

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Bob J wrote:

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You can come down here to Tucson and help the Minutemen protect the
border. That'd
be an experience youy could tell your grandkids about...

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2005\04\13@215619 by Russell McMahon
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>>Ohhh, I'm going from Argentina, so the budget is prety small.... But
>>those
>>places sound nice to meet....
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> It's pretty cheap to rent a car and go see the Grand Canyon if
> you're so
> inclined. One of the tourist attractions that isn't over-hyped IMHO.
> Try
> to get there at sunrise or sunset. I've been to north and south
> rims, and
> they are both good.

Speaking as a "foreign" tourist who flitted through the area:

Grand Canyon is awesome - even after you've seen thousands of photos
of it in advance.
If you have enough people in the car then buying a National Park
season ticket may be worth while for Grand Canyon alone.

Sedona is well worth driving through going to or from Grand Canyon.
Exceedingly scenic. Hard to do justice to - craggy multi hued cliffs
and "mountain-ettes" (buttes?) and more. A different world.

Meteor Crater is well worth the visit if you like such things. I do
and found it superb. Entrance fee is a bit dear for a "hole in the
ground" though ($US18/person if I recall correctly) and you can't see
the crater proper without paying. Google on it and decide.

IHOP* in flagstaff was an eating experience in its own right. (Maybe
all IHOPs are that good, but that's the only one I've ever been to).
(* International House Of Pancakes - more food than you can eat at a
sitting - almost - and good!!!)

45C / 115 F heat is fun. Stand close to a running but stationary car
in normal circumstances, especially with sandaled or bare feet,  and
you feel warmth on your feet as they rise maybe 20 or 30 C above
ambient. Do this when ambient is 45C and you instead feel pain. An
experience worth having due to the novelty value. Once. 45C is above
body core temperature. You sweat or you die. You may not see any sweat
though - it tends to vanish as a vapour as it is generated. Drink
plenty of water.

Sleeping without air conditioning is a challenge. If you want the
ultimate challenge drive out to Gila Bend in the desert and camp in a
tent in the RV park immediately adjacent to the well used carwash. A
night you'll remember for life. If you survive it. I think I did.




       RM


2005\04\14@042626 by Alan B. Pearce

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>>Ohhh, I'm going from Argentina, so the budget is prety small.... But those
>>places sound nice to meet....
>
>It's pretty cheap to rent a car and go see the Grand Canyon if you're so

Grand Canyon is a "must see". I spent only part of a day there as I was
passing by, but really enjoyed the short time there. Photos of the place
just do not do justice to the size of the slot in the earth.

2005\04\14@073741 by Mauricio Jancic

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Oh, one more question. On the microchip site, they say "Credit card is
required upon check in" or something like that.

If I already pay everything, is it still required? You know, I don't use
credit cards so I need to know how to proced instead...

Regards,
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2005\04\14@090136 by Herbert Graf

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On Thu, 2005-04-14 at 08:37 -0300, Mauricio Jancic wrote:
> Oh, one more question. On the microchip site, they say "Credit card is
> required upon check in" or something like that.
>
> If I already pay everything, is it still required?

Yup, and the reason is simple: you're on the hook for any costs you
incur in the room. Things like telephone charges, pay per view charges,
room service charges and whether anything is missing from the minibar.

> You know, I don't use
> credit cards so I need to know how to proced instead...

No idea, a credit card is a pretty common ting in North America and I'm
not sure it's worse the hassle of trying to do things like that without
one.

I suppose the hotel MIGHT accept a deposit, no idea though. TTYL


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2005\04\14@090344 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 08:37 AM 4/14/2005 -0300, you wrote:
>Oh, one more question. On the microchip site, they say "Credit card is
>required upon check in" or something like that.
>
>If I already pay everything, is it still required? You know, I don't use
>credit cards so I need to know how to proced instead...

They would like a credit card to cover all the party damage you will do
to the room (holes in the walls, burnt carpet, vomit etc.), all the items
which will go "missing", and all the 3-hour phone calls you will make back to
Argentina (at the 10:1 markup they charge for hotel rooms). ;-)

Still, I imagine you can work something out one way or another- suggest
you ask Microchip's coordinator about it. They might want a refundable
deposit or something like that, worst case. It's a lot harder to do
ordinary things without a CC- renting a car, for example, would become
much more difficult or impossible. 8-(

Best regards,

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2005\04\14@095832 by Russell McMahon

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> ... and all the 3-hour phone calls you will make back to
> Argentina (at the 10:1 markup they charge for hotel rooms). ;-)>

Speaking of which.
Many countries have a "phone home free"  system where you can dial a
toll free number when you are in a foreign country and then the number
you want in your own country. This gets you out of the foreign
charging system for free and the toll calls are then charged at a rate
set by your own administration. This can be MUCH cheaper than paying
hotel rates - it probably just costs a local call and can even be done
from a callbox / payphone.

In my country it used to be called "NZ direct". YMMV.



       Russell McMahon

2005\04\14@102525 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 01:58 AM 4/15/2005 +1200, you wrote:
>>... and all the 3-hour phone calls you will make back to
>>Argentina (at the 10:1 markup they charge for hotel rooms). ;-)>
>
>Speaking of which.
>Many countries have a "phone home free"  system where you can dial a toll
>free number when you are in a foreign country and then the number you want
>in your own country. This gets you out of the foreign charging system for
>free and the toll calls are then charged at a rate set by your own
>administration. This can be MUCH cheaper than paying hotel rates - it
>probably just costs a local call and can even be done from a callbox /
>payphone.
>
>In my country it used to be called "NZ direct". YMMV.

Yes, and some hotels now charge for calls to toll-free numbers (including
domestic ones, as to your own office). IMHO, that kind of money-grubbing
policy just p*sses off their customers.

Of course these days you can just use your cell phone and bypass the whole
ripoff system from the comfort of your hotel room (and stick in a local
GSM card if you like)- at least until they come up with some scheme to
shield the rooms or something.

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2005\04\14@210124 by Howard Winter

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Alan,

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:26:23 +0100, Alan B. Pearce wrote:

> Grand Canyon is a "must see". I spent only part of a day there as I was
> passing by, but really enjoyed the short time there. Photos of the place
> just do not do justice to the size of the slot in the earth.

Indeed - I did a half-day trip from Las Vegas a few years ago (so you see it from the air first).  It is
almost unbelieveable how vast the scale is - sometimes you have to be told that the far side is *x miles* away
and then try to work out the rest from there.  I had to phone a friend back in England from a phone box in a
restaurant, just so I could enthuse about it and share it somewhat.  A truly awesome experience!

Cheers,



Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2005\04\14@210801 by Howard Winter

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Russell,

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 01:58:09 +1200, Russell McMahon wrote:
>...<
> Many countries have a "phone home free"  system where you can dial a
> toll free number when you are in a foreign country and then the number
> you want in your own country.

I've never heard of this - and there are times when it would have been *very* useful!  I wonder if it's common
in New Zealand and Australia because most of their population is abroad most of the time...  :-)))

> This gets you out of the foreign
> charging system for free and the toll calls are then charged at a rate
> set by your own administration. This can be MUCH cheaper than paying
> hotel rates - it probably just costs a local call and can even be done
> from a callbox / payphone.

Be aware that most hotels have caught on to the various free phone numbers, and charge you for them anyway -
I've seen US$2.50 per call to any "free" phone numbers... better than "$1.50 plus 50c/minute plus AT&T long
distance rate" for normal pay-calls though!

> In my country it used to be called "NZ direct". YMMV.

I'd love to know if there is an equivalent for Blighty - it would really help sometimes!

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2005\04\14@210948 by Howard Winter

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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:29:19 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
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> Of course these days you can just use your cell phone
and bypass the whole
> ripoff system from the comfort of your hotel room (and
stick in a local
> GSM card if you like)- at least until they come up
with some scheme to
> shield the rooms or something.

I believe they have started doing so - not shielding,
but using interfering transmissions.  Strictly illegal
in most places but I've heard that France, I think, has
decided to permit it.

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


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