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'[PIC] MPLAB 8.10 is out'
2008\04\28@223500 by Howard Winter

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Nobody seems to have mentioned yet that the latest "Full" release of MPLAB is available, so I thought I would!

http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1406&dDocName=en019469&part=SW007002

(If that splits, as it probably will, go to http://www.microchip.com and click on "MPLAB IDE" in the "Design" column)

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2008\04\28@232608 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 4/29/08, Howard Winter <spam_OUTHDRWTakeThisOuTspamh2org.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Nobody seems to have mentioned yet that the latest "Full"
> release of MPLAB is available, so I thought I would!
>
> http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1406&dDocName=en019469&part=SW007002
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> (If that splits, as it probably will, go to http://www.microchip.com
> and click on "MPLAB IDE" in the "Design" column)

Just use the shortcut: http//http://www.microchip.com/mplab

There are many shortcuts available. For example the following works
for me: mplab, c18, c30, c32, pic24, pic32, pickit2, ...

Xiaofan

2008\04\30@081431 by Martin

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I upgraded to 8.10 and simultaneously installed C18 (not sure if that's
relevant). If I click on a code editor window and then click on the main
MPLAB window, the menubar seems to expand and all of the toolbar buttons
disappear. If I move my mouse over each button individually, that button
reappears. I went back to v8.00 and the same thing happens. Does anyone
else have this issue?
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Martin

Howard Winter wrote:
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2008\04\30@084900 by Tamas Rudnai

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Maybe not this one but 8.xx series has loads of issues like this - I really
think that they should have fix these instead of implementing nice new
features... Already mentioned to the developer of MPLAB on Microchip forum
when 8.02 released, but it seems nothing has happened with the 8.10 version.
Maybe he was pushed by his boss/management to concentrating on features
instead of bugfixes?

Anyway, now I am testing GNU tools under Linux if I can switch to a more
reliable environment - also Wiz-C/Asm or other alternatives, not sure which
is the best option for me at the moment.

Tamas


On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Martin <.....martinKILLspamspam@spam@nnytech.net> wrote:

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2008\04\30@093840 by Funny NYPD

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One possible reason may be: developing new feature is much easier than identifying the root-cause of a bug and knowing how to fix it.

Funny N.
Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com



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2008\04\30@095055 by Martin

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As an amateur programmer of "real" software, I can say that I have
encountered this very often.
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Martin

Funny NYPD wrote:
> One possible reason may be: developing new feature is much easier than identifying the root-cause of a bug and knowing how to fix it.
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>  Funny N.
> Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com
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2008\04\30@095822 by Tamas Rudnai

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So new features should be implemented by graduates and bugfixes by seniors?
:-)


2008/4/30 Funny NYPD <funnynypdspamKILLspamyahoo.com>:

> One possible reason may be: developing new feature is much easier than
> identifying the root-cause of a bug and knowing how to fix it.
>
>  Funny N.
> Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com
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> {Original Message removed}

2008\04\30@112328 by Howard Winter

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Martin,

(rearranging in posted order)

> > Funny NYPD wrote:
> > One possible reason may be: developing new feature is much easier than identifying the root-cause of a bug and knowing how to fix it.

Martin replied:

> As an amateur programmer of "real" software, I can say that I have encountered this very often.

And as a professional programmer of real software, I've encountered it very often too!  

It's usually the case that developers would much rather write new stuff than debug existing - especially if they didn't write the latter themselves.  I think it's seen
as the difference between designing a car and changing its oil.

But any decent system has much more time spent on maintaining, bug-fixing and enhancing it than was spent on writing it in the first place, so the industry
requirement is for more good code-readers than Prima-Donna writers...

Cheers,



Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2008\04\30@114839 by Tamas Rudnai

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> I think it's seen as the difference between designing a car and changing
its oil.

I think the difference is more like designing a brand new car from scratch,
then make a survey from the drivers / passengers / mechanists / auto
magazines etc  what's wrong with the design, and instead of making a
completely new one again, just modify those problems that are really bad or
can be improve the quality, reliability, fuel consumption etc... "Changing
its oil" is more like an IT staff do with your software in my opinion.

Anyway, debugging is more challenging for a developer like myself, and
having a less feature improved MPLAB like 7.41 is more fun for me than 8.xx
where I have to struggling with disappearing buttons or crashing in the
middle of debugging - or maybe I just have to do the same with my firmwares,
should not debug them? :-D

Sorry for my bitter again, I just really confused about the usability of
this originally great product.

Tamas



On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Howard Winter <.....HDRWKILLspamspam.....h2org.demon.co.uk>
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'[PIC] MPLAB 8.10 is out'
2008\05\01@104308 by Bob Axtell
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Its my opinion that _NO_ MPLAB versions later than 7.41 actually work
correctly. I have not troubleshot
the problem as I just don't have time.

--Bob Axtell

Tamas Rudnai wrote:
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2008\05\01@105501 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Martin <martinspamspam_OUTnnytech.net> wrote:
> I upgraded to 8.10 and simultaneously installed C18 (not sure if that's
> relevant). If I click on a code editor window and then click on the main
> MPLAB window, the menubar seems to expand and all of the toolbar buttons
> disappear. If I move my mouse over each button individually, that button
> reappears. I went back to v8.00 and the same thing happens. Does anyone
> else have this issue?

If you have defined Window Sets then you can probably recover
by using the menu item Window -->Window Sets --> your beloved
Window Sets.

I have never been able to define a proper Windows sets with
docking Output Window until today after I downloaded
FreeRTOS 5.0. I use it as my preferred Window Sets now
and call it FreeRTOS.

Xiaofan

2008\05\01@105755 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Tamas Rudnai <@spam@tamas.rudnaiKILLspamspamgmail.com> wrote:
> Anyway, debugging is more challenging for a developer like myself, and
> having a less feature improved MPLAB like 7.41 is more fun for me than 8.xx
> where I have to struggling with disappearing buttons or crashing in the
> middle of debugging - or maybe I just have to do the same with my firmwares,
> should not debug them? :-D
>
> Sorry for my bitter again, I just really confused about the usability of
> this originally great product.
>

As I am not doing any work related items on MPLAB, I always use
the latest and the greatest. ;-)

And I have not found major problems. Today I actually solved my
long time problem of defining a proper Window Sets with docking
after trying out FreeRTOS.

But if I am working on a project, I will not update MPLAB without
serious testing.

Xiaofan

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