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'[PIC] ENC28J60 PIC firmware driver?'
2005\12\28@011446 by Herbert Graf

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Hello everyone,

Just checking something, there's been word MChip would have a firmware
driver for the ENC28J60 to integrate it with their TCP/IP stack by the
end of Decmeber.

Seeing it's basically the end of December I can't find it on their site
anywhere.

Am I just blind or is it just not out there? I've checked the stack
download and nothing new there either.

I've found a few projects online where the person did it themselves, but
I was hoping the MChip solution would be out?

Thanks, TTYL


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2005\12\28@025257 by Alex Shepherd

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> Just checking something, there's been word MChip would have a
> firmware driver for the ENC28J60 to integrate it with their
> TCP/IP stack by the end of Decmeber.
>
> Seeing it's basically the end of December I can't find it on
> their site anywhere.

You might want to have a look at the files on this site:

http://www.edtp.com/download/ft/beta_enc28j60_stack.zip

Cheers

Alex Shepherd


2005\12\28@074345 by olin piclist

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Herbert Graf wrote:
> Just checking something, there's been word MChip would have a firmware
> driver for the ENC28J60 to integrate it with their TCP/IP stack by the
> end of Decmeber.

A full TCP/IP stack for the ENC28J60 has been available for well over a
year.  It's the AN833 stack with a MAC module specific to the ENC28J60.  I
don't know if that MAC module is availble with AN833 though.  You may have
to ask your local FAE.


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2005\12\28@112047 by Herbert Graf

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On Wed, 2005-12-28 at 07:44 -0500, Olin Lathrop wrote:
> Herbert Graf wrote:
> > Just checking something, there's been word MChip would have a firmware
> > driver for the ENC28J60 to integrate it with their TCP/IP stack by the
> > end of Decmeber.
>
> A full TCP/IP stack for the ENC28J60 has been available for well over a
> year.  

Actually to be nit picky - over 2 years.

> It's the AN833 stack with a MAC module specific to the ENC28J60.  I
> don't know if that MAC module is availble with AN833 though.  

It's not according to my perusing, which is why I was asking the
question.

> You may have
> to ask your local FAE.

Don't have one, which again is why I was asking here...

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2005\12\28@131200 by olin piclist
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Herbert Graf wrote:
>> You may have to ask your local FAE.
>
> Don't have one,

Sure you do.  I think all locations are covered by some field office
someplace.  You're in Canada if I remember right, so this shouldn't be a
problem.  You used to be able to call (800) 437-2767 then 1 and it would
automatically connect you with the correct field office.  As far as I know
that is still working and should work from Canada too, but I haven't tried
it in a while.

It's a good idea to establish contact with your local FAE anayway as they
are gatekeepers for various access into Microchip.


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2005\12\28@171833 by Herbert Graf

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On Wed, 2005-12-28 at 13:13 -0500, Olin Lathrop wrote:
> Herbert Graf wrote:
> >> You may have to ask your local FAE.
> >
> > Don't have one,
>
> Sure you do.  

Nope, since they're closed, christmas, boxing day, new years day, and
all that. Much of "high tech" in Canada is closed several days this
week, some all days this week.

> I think all locations are covered by some field office
> someplace.  You're in Canada if I remember right, so this shouldn't be a
> problem.  You used to be able to call (800) 437-2767 then 1 and it would
> automatically connect you with the correct field office.  As far as I know
> that is still working and should work from Canada too, but I haven't tried
> it in a while.
>
> It's a good idea to establish contact with your local FAE anayway as they
> are gatekeepers for various access into Microchip.

But you see, there's the rub:

My official work has included a total of 5 physical PICs over the years.
All my other "PICing" has been personal hobbyist type stuff.

While one day I may use more PICs at work, today I don't, and even if I
did, the department I work for is protyping type stuff, never anything
in volumes over say, 6?

So, the issue is I don't feel right bothering a company under false
pretences. I don't feel it is right to consume a company's
representative for something that will NEVER produce any volume for the
company. Using their website? Fine. But calling them up for support, not
fine in my eyes.

Of course, some will probably say: "don't worry about it, they won't
know", or "don't worry about it, they don't mind", and neither of those
things matter to me. I feel it's wrong, and that's that. Heck, even
samples are something I've never been 100% comfortable taking.

So, considering all the people on this list, chances were that if it
were out, someone here would know. Obviously you don't, and it doesn't
look like anyone else has heard anything, so third party I suppose it is
(I have one more day, the magnetics arrive tomorrow... :) ).

TTYL

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2005\12\28@224849 by William Chops Westfield

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On Dec 28, 2005, at 2:18 PM, Herbert Graf wrote:

> So, the issue is I don't feel right bothering a company under false
> pretences. I don't feel it is right to consume a company's
> representative for something that will NEVER produce any volume for the
> company. Using their website? Fine. But calling them up for support,
> not
> fine in my eyes.
>
You can try being honest and see if they'll help anyway.  Talking to a
hobbyist whose project is interesting but not likely to generate much
revenue is probably more productive than sitting in the office drinking
coffee...  When I ordered samples from microchip a while back, I got an
instant call from our (cisco's) rep asking what I was working on, and
if I needed help, samples hand-carried over,  etc...  I carefully
explained
that my interest in PICs was mostly as a hobbyist, and made sure I was
understood, but the offers for help and hand-carried samples and so
on remained offered...

BillW

2005\12\29@001345 by Jinx

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> When I ordered samples from microchip a while back, I got an
> instant call from our (cisco's) rep asking what I was working on,
> and if I needed help, samples hand-carried over,  etc...

Funny isn't it ? The people I can get 1s and 2s from usually can't
help and those that I don't need/want to buy a tube from can. It's
that execrable practise of not encouraging "backyard" development
by making some components difficult to obtain

I still ask, even if it means "inflating" what I tell them I'm doing to
get an answer. I don't see it as wasting their time. I want help
with their product, and I'll get it any way I can

Herbert, don't be a wallflower....ask. Don't say what you're doing
is just hobbyist. The way I see it, who knows how a product may
evolve, and IMHO it's not for some rep to stymie that evolution

2005\12\29@005952 by Herbert Graf

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On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 18:13 +1300, Jinx wrote:
> I still ask, even if it means "inflating" what I tell them I'm doing to
> get an answer. I don't see it as wasting their time. I want help
> with their product, and I'll get it any way I can

See, that's exactly what I feel as being "wrong".

> Herbert, don't be a wallflower....

Hmm, interesting word, never heard it before, had to look it up. I'll
have to start using it! :) Thanks!

TTYL


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2005\12\29@011946 by Kevin

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On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Herbert Graf wrote:

> On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 18:13 +1300, Jinx wrote:
> > I still ask, even if it means "inflating" what I tell them I'm doing to
> > get an answer. I don't see it as wasting their time. I want help
> > with their product, and I'll get it any way I can
>
> See, that's exactly what I feel as being "wrong".
>
Herb, I work for one of the largest companies in the world,
and it's my job to help people with their problems. I don't
care if they pay us $10 a month or $10,000,000. My paycheck
is the same. If they call it's my job to help, so make the
call. :)  Like Jinx said, don't be a wallflower, can't
believe you never heard that term !

~Kevin

2005\12\29@033011 by Jinx

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> I want help with their product, and I'll get it any way I can
>
> See, that's exactly what I feel as being "wrong".

What I see as more "wrong" is that I'm frustrated with a project,
someone has the solution, and I can't get to it. It's desirable to
have a conscience of course, but at the end of the day it's just
a little white lie and hardly important in the greater scheme of
things. I wouldn't necessarily feel as though I'd got one over on
anybody, but effectively I've circumvented that company's policy
to deny me information because they don't think me worthy of it

But of course you can spin a situation like that to suit either side

> > Herbert, don't be a wallflower....
>
> Hmm, interesting word, never heard it before, had to look it
> up. I'll have to start using it! :) Thanks!

I always believed it came about as being the description of
socially awkward spotty young boys who stood around the
edges of dance floors, like wallflowers the flower against the
wall, to shy to ask a girl (or a boy these days I guess) to dance

2005\12\29@073416 by olin piclist

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Jinx wrote:
> Herbert, don't be a wallflower....ask. Don't say what you're doing
> is just hobbyist. The way I see it, who knows how a product may
> evolve, and IMHO it's not for some rep to stymie that evolution

I disagree with this partially.  I think Herbert should talk to his FAE but
be honest about what he's doing and why.  He will have done nothing wrong
and Microchip can make up their own mind how much they think it's worth
helping him.  Microchip seems to be a lot more hobbyist friendly than most
companies.  They seem to understand that getting people to use PICs is a
good thing whether for hobby projects or not.  If nothing else, each
hobbyist represents a person trained in PICs.  I think it's worth it for
them to occasionally help a few to get this to happen more, and it seems
Microchip agrees.

In this particular case you are asking about some software that already
exists but may not have made its way to the web site because the chip was
only recently released to production.  This should be a simple issue for
them.

The other thing to try is the Microchip forum.  It is supposedly peer to
peer, but Microchip people definitely read it and occasionally jump in.


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2005\12\29@083011 by Mchipguru

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They have learned that often the hobbiest interest can get design wins down the road. I did a simple test fixture desige several years ago that was a total of 2 PICs. 1 was used and the second was a spare. That opened the door to Data General for Microchip by getting them on the approved vendors list.
Larry
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