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2008\04\23@185012 by Soumendra

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Hi all.

I am a newbie just starting out, and I am planning to buy Microchip's
PICkit 2. But the website offers two versions, "Starter Kit" and
"Debug Express," and I don't know if I should worry about the
difference between them, which seems to be the demo board provided
with them.

One is specified as a "low pin count" demo board, and the other as
"44-pin" demo board. The "low pin count" demo board specifies
PIC16F690 on board. While the 44-pin version also has a 16F chip on
it, the particular version is not specified.

I should have thought the difference to be cosmetic (in light of the
fact that both the kits cost the same), but I am just not very sure.
Also, does Microchip let the buyer choose the 16F chip to be placed on
the 44-pin version (because it is not specified) ?

I would be grateful for any kind of clarification.

Soumendra

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2008\04\23@190653 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 6:50 AM, Soumendra <spam_OUTsoumendraTakeThisOuTspamgmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> I am a newbie just starting out, and I am planning to buy Microchip's
> PICkit 2. But the website offers two versions, "Starter Kit" and
> "Debug Express," and I don't know if I should worry about the
> difference between them, which seems to be the demo board provided
> with them.
>
> One is specified as a "low pin count" demo board, and the other as
> "44-pin" demo board. The "low pin count" demo board specifies
> PIC16F690 on board. While the 44-pin version also has a 16F chip on
> it, the particular version is not specified.
>

Answered here:
http://forum.microchip.com/tm.aspx?m=323919

If you need the debugging functionality, you should get the debug
express version. I will think that is the better version out there.
But some people like the starter kit since they can easily replace
the chip (Through hole). Some of the people even soldered a
ZIF socket on the starter kit.

There are two versions of debug express. The old debug express comes
with 16F917. If you order from Microchip now, it should come with 16F887.

You can also buy the bare programmer if you do not need
the demo board.

This PICKit 2 FAQ thread is quite good.
http://forum.microchip.com/tm.aspx?m=270347

Xiaofan

2008\04\23@191347 by Tamas Rudnai

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Hi Soumendra,

If you go to http://www.microchip.com/pickit2 you can see the difference:

The Debug express comes with the 16F887:
44-pin demo board with PIC16F887 Midrange PIC microcontroller

And with the starter kit you need an ICD header for debugging:
* Note: Requires the AC162061 ICD Header and AC164110 adapter to debug.*

Down there you can find the user's guide for both Low pin and 44-pin demo
boards.

Hope it helps,
Tamas



On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:50 PM, Soumendra <.....soumendraKILLspamspam@spam@gmail.com> wrote:

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2008\04\23@193245 by Christopher Head

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Hi,
Just a comment in case the OP doesn't realize this, but you don't *need*
the Debug Express version in order to do in-circuit debugging with the
PICkit2. All PICkit2s can do in-circuit debugging, even the bare
programmer without any demo board at all (that's what I bought). You
might not be able to do ICD on the non-debug-express demo board (I don't
know), but you *can* use the PICkit2 for ICD on your own circuits.

Chris

Xiaofan Chen wrote:
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| If you need the debugging functionality, you should get the debug
| express version. I will think that is the better version out there.
| But some people like the starter kit since they can easily replace
| the chip (Through hole). Some of the people even soldered a
| ZIF socket on the starter kit.
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2008\04\23@215839 by Funny NYPD

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Most of the PIC18Fs and some PIC16Fs support ICD. There is some low-pin number base family need a special converter-board for ICD. For  those PIC18F chips with internal oscillator, you can probably just use a breadboard or Zif to program and debug some codes.

We never buy the converter-board for 12F508, just program the chip and see how it goes. So far, it works great.

Funny N.
Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com

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2008\04\24@082013 by Soumendra

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Thank you all for patiently answering my question.

I have decided to buy the Debug Express, and I plan to build a
removable ZIF socket too.


On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Funny NYPD <funnynypdspamKILLspamyahoo.com> wrote:
> Most of the PIC18Fs and some PIC16Fs support ICD. There is some low-pin number base family need a special converter-board for ICD. For  those PIC18F chips with internal oscillator, you can probably just use a breadboard or Zif to program and debug some codes.
>
>  We never buy the converter-board for 12F508, just program the chip and see how it goes. So far, it works great.
>
>  Funny N.
>  Au Group Electronics, New Bedford, MA, http://www.AuElectronics.com
>
>
>
>  {Original Message removed}

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