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'[PIC] Most compatible / versatile programmer'
2005\04\18@174250 by Tim_webb

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Hi,

Another question..

ICD2 was mentioned, not sure if that is a programmer or not?

When I purchased the Pic-start plus, I thought it supported nearly the entire product line at the time, I guess that's no longer true.

What is the most compatible / versatile PIC programmer available?

What programmer can program the most types of PIC's and is most supportable when new products come out?

Is there a current programmer that will support all current PIC's?

Does such a device exist? And would it cost me a fortune?  

Best regards,

Tim

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2005\04\18@221736 by Herbert Graf

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On Mon, 2005-04-18 at 15:42 -0600, spam_OUTtim_webbTakeThisOuTspamagilent.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Another question..
>
> ICD2 was mentioned, not sure if that is a programmer or not?

It is both a programmer and an in circuit debugger, it can be used for
both purposes. Note though that it is designed ONLY for in circuit
operation, it has no "socket" for you to plug the chip into. That is a
good thing though, in circuit programming is SO much easier to work
with.

> When I purchased the Pic-start plus, I thought it supported nearly the entire product line at the time, I guess that's no longer true.
>
> What is the most compatible / versatile PIC programmer available?
>
> What programmer can program the most types of PIC's and is most supportable when new products come out?
>
> Is there a current programmer that will support all current PIC's?

The answer to all your questions is the ICD2. It supports almost all
PICs anyone would likely use (it doesn't support the really old PICs
that don't have in circuit programming capabilities, i.e. the 16c54). It
costs about $150US from MChip, although you can find it for cheaper.

TTYL

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Herbert's PIC Stuff:
http://repatch.dyndns.org:8383/pic_stuff/

2005\04\19@100313 by John Ferrell

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What chips are not supported by the PicStart Plus?

John Ferrell
http://DixieNC.US

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2005\04\19@105035 by Alan B. Pearce

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>What chips are not supported by the PicStart Plus?

I had a feeling that the last iteration before they introduced the new flash
upgradeable version had dropped some of the old 17C series. You would need
to check through the readme files to verify this.

2005\04\19@105352 by Mark Scoville
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John, The Picstart Plus doesn't support the 18F6585, 18F8585, 18F6680 or
18F8680 to name a few. I don't think the PS+ supports the dsPic series
either (Not sure though). There are probably others as well.

-Mark

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2005\04\19@114720 by John Ferrell

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Thanks for the info...
 I am obviously too lazy to search it out, this was another of those
conditions I could not figure out a search argument!

John Ferrell
http://DixieNC.US

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2005\04\19@124039 by Tim_webb

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I don't know, are the dsPIC series and the new 6 or 8 pin series pics supported on the pic start plus?


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2005\04\19@233637 by M. Adam Davis

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tim_webb@agilent.com wrote:

> I don't know, are the dsPIC series and the new 6 or 8 pin series pics supported on the pic start plus?

No and Yes.  I don't see the dsPIC (start with 30, IIRC) on the list,
but the 10f and 12x parts certianly are.  The dsPIC is supported instead
by the ICD2.

The readme for picstart file found in a new MPLAB installation will tell
you exactly what the picstart plus firmware currently supports.  Since
it's not always convenient to get at that file (may not want to download
or install, etc) here is the supported devices section in the MPLAB 7.10
distribution:

-----------------------------------------------------------------
1. Device Support List
-----------------------------------------------------------------

               Supported in                       Supported in
Device          OS (FW) Version    Device          OS (FW) Version
-------------   ---------------    -------------   ---------------
PIC10F200!      (04.30.00)         PIC16F688       (04.10.00)        
PIC10F202!      (04.30.00)         PIC16F716       (04.10.00)        
PIC10F204!      (04.30.00)         PIC16F72        (02.10.01)        
PIC10F206!      (04.30.00)         PIC16F73        (02.10.01)        
PIC12C508       (02.01.00)         PIC16F737       (04.10.00)        
PIC12C508A      (02.01.00)         PIC16F74        (02.10.01)        
PIC12C509       (02.01.00)         PIC16F747       (04.10.00)        
PIC12C509A      (02.01.00)         PIC16F76        (02.10.01)        
PIC12C671       (02.01.00)         PIC16F767       (04.10.00)        
PIC12C672       (02.01.00)         PIC16F77        (02.10.01)        
PIC12CE518      (02.01.00)         PIC16F777       (04.10.00)        
PIC12CE519      (02.01.00)         PIC16F818!      (03.00.07)        
PIC12CE673      (02.01.00)         PIC16F819!      (03.00.07)        
PIC12CE674      (02.01.00)         PIC16F83        (02.01.00)        
PIC12F508       (04.30.00)         PIC16F84        (02.01.00)        
PIC12F509       (04.30.00)         PIC16F84A       (02.01.00)        
PIC12F629       (03.00.07)         PIC16F87        (04.10.00)        
PIC12F635       (04.20.03)         PIC16F870       (02.01.00)        
PIC12F675       (03.00.07)         PIC16F871       (02.01.00)        
PIC12F683       (04.02.00)         PIC16F872       (02.01.00)        
PIC16C505       (02.01.00)         PIC16F873       (02.01.00)        
PIC16C54        (02.01.00)         PIC16F873A      (03.00.07)        
PIC16C54C       (02.01.00)         PIC16F874       (02.01.00)        
PIC16C55        (02.01.00)         PIC16F874A      (03.00.07)        
PIC16C554       (02.01.00)         PIC16F876       (02.01.00)        
PIC16C558       (02.01.00)         PIC16F876A      (03.00.07)        
PIC16C55A!      (02.01.00)         PIC16F877       (02.01.00)        
PIC16C56        (02.01.00)         PIC16F877A      (03.00.07)        
PIC16C56A       (02.01.00)         PIC16F88        (04.10.00)        
PIC16C57        (02.01.00)         PIC16HV540      (02.01.00)        
PIC16C57C!      (02.01.00)         PIC17C42        (02.01.00)        
PIC16C58A       (02.01.00)         PIC17C42A       (02.01.00)        
PIC16C58B       (02.01.00)         PIC17C43        (02.01.00)        
PIC16C620       (02.01.00)         PIC17C44        (02.01.00)        
PIC16C620A      (02.01.00)         PIC17C752       (02.01.00)        
PIC16C621       (02.01.00)         PIC17C756       (02.01.00)        
PIC16C621A      (02.01.00)         PIC17C756A      (02.01.00)        
PIC16C622       (02.01.00)         PIC17C762       (02.01.00)        
PIC16C622A      (02.01.00)         PIC17C766       (02.01.00)        
PIC16C62A       (02.01.00)         PIC18C242       (02.01.00)        
PIC16C62B       (02.01.00)         PIC18C252       (02.01.00)        
PIC16C63        (02.01.00)         PIC18C442       (02.01.00)        
PIC16C63A       (02.01.00)         PIC18C452       (02.01.00)        
PIC16C642       (02.01.00)         PIC18C658!      (02.01.00)        
PIC16C64A       (02.01.00)         PIC18C858!      (02.01.00)        
PIC16C65A       (02.01.00)         PIC18F1220*!#   (04.10.00)        
PIC16C65B       (02.01.00)         PIC18F1320*!#   (04.10.00)        
PIC16C66        (02.01.00)         PIC18F2220*     (04.02.00)        
PIC16C662       (02.01.00)         PIC18F2320*     (04.02.00)        
PIC16C67        (02.01.00)         PIC18F2331*!    (04.02.00)        
PIC16C71        (02.01.00)         PIC18F2410      (04.30.01)        
PIC16C710       (02.01.00)         PIC18F242       (02.30.01)        
PIC16C711       (02.01.00)         PIC18F2420      (04.30.01)        
PIC16C712       (02.01.00)         PIC18F2431*!    (04.02.00)        
PIC16C715       (02.01.00)         PIC18F2455      (04.30.01)        
PIC16C716       (02.01.00)         PIC18F248       (02.30.01)        
PIC16C717       (02.10.01)         PIC18F2510      (04.30.01)        
PIC16C72        (02.01.00)         PIC18F2515      (04.30.01)        
PIC16C72A       (02.01.00)         PIC18F252       (02.30.01)        
PIC16C73A       (02.01.00)         PIC18F2520      (04.30.01)        
PIC16C73B       (02.01.00)         PIC18F2525      (04.30.01)        
PIC16C745       (02.01.00)         PIC18F258       (02.30.01)        
PIC16C74A       (02.01.00)         PIC18F2585      (04.30.01)        
PIC16C74B       (02.01.00)         PIC18F2610      (04.30.01)        
PIC16C76        (02.01.00)         PIC18F2620      (04.30.01)        
PIC16C765       (02.01.00)         PIC18F2680      (04.30.01)        
PIC16C77        (02.01.00)         PIC18F4220*     (04.02.00)        
PIC16C770       (02.10.01)         PIC18F4320      (04.02.00)        
PIC16C771       (02.10.01)         PIC18F4331      (04.02.00)        
PIC16C773       (02.01.00)         PIC18F4410      (04.30.01)        
PIC16C774       (02.01.00)         PIC18F442       (02.30.01)        
PIC16C781       (02.30.00)         PIC18F4420      (04.30.01)        
PIC16C782       (02.30.00)         PIC18F4431      (04.02.00)        
PIC16C923       (02.01.00)         PIC18F4455      (04.30.01)        
PIC16C924       (02.01.00)         PIC18F448       (02.30.01)        
PIC16C925       (02.01.00)         PIC18F4510      (04.30.01)        
PIC16C926       (02.01.00)         PIC18F4515      (04.30.01)        
PIC16CE623      (02.01.00)         PIC18F452       (02.30.01)        
PIC16CE624      (02.01.00)         PIC18F4520      (04.30.01)        
PIC16CE625      (02.01.00)         PIC18F4525      (04.30.01)        
PIC16F505       (04.30.00)         PIC18F458       (02.30.01)        
PIC16F54        (04.02.00)         PIC18F4585      (04.30.01)        
PIC16F57!       (04.02.00)         PIC18F4610      (04.30.01)        
PIC16F627       (02.10.01)         PIC18F4620      (04.30.01)        
PIC16F627A      (04.10.00)         PIC18F4680      (04.30.01)        
PIC16F628       (02.10.01)         PIC18F6620!     (03.00.07)        
PIC16F628A      (04.10.00)         PIC18F6720!     (03.00.07)        
PIC16F630       (03.00.06)         PIC18F8620!     (03.00.07)        
PIC16F636       (04.12.04)         PIC18F8720!     (03.00.07)        
PIC16F648A      (04.10.00)         rfPIC12C509AF!  (02.01.00)        
PIC16F676       (03.00.06)         rfPIC12C509AG!  (02.01.00)        
PIC16F684       (04.10.00)        

*  Indicates beta-support part(s) in this release.

!  See Sections 8-14 in this readme for information on programming
  these devices.

#  Some revisions of these parts fail to program.

>  
>

2005\04\20@015453 by dr. Imre Bartfai

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Hi,

you may want to look at http://www.elnec.sk . I use their SmartProg, but they
have also one limited to PIC (AFAIK it is called PicProg resp. PicProg+).
Versatility is ensured via life-long free host driver upgrade.        I hope
this helps.

Regards,
Imre


On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Alan B. Pearce wrote:

>> What chips are not supported by the PicStart Plus?
>
> I had a feeling that the last iteration before they introduced the new flash
> upgradeable version had dropped some of the old 17C series. You would need
> to check through the readme files to verify this.
>
> --

2005\04\20@025237 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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M. Adam Davis wrote :

> The readme for picstart file found in a new MPLAB
> installation will tell you exactly what the picstart
> plus firmware currently supports.  Since it's not
> always convenient to get at that file (may not want
> to download or install, etc) MPLAB 7.10 distribution:
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> 1. Device Support List
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Supported in                       Supported in
> Device          OS (FW) Version    Device          OS (FW) Version
> -------------   ---------------    -------------   ---------------
[snip...]

The only two with a "#" are these two :

> PIC18F1220*!#   (04.10.00)        
> PIC18F1320*!#   (04.10.00)        

And the "#" stands for :

> #  Some revisions of these parts fail to program.

Now, these are the two that I've had problems with
with my Wisp628. Even Wouters fix/cure didn't help.
I have to manualy power cycle the PIC between "run".

Maybe time to get a couple new samples to check out...

Jan-Erik.



2005\04\20@115559 by Tim_webb

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Hi,

If they dropped some of the older chips in the PIC-Start Plus last iteration, I may not want to upgrade my current PIC-Start Plus and purchase a second / more recent one so I have all bases covered.  

I don't really have plans to program the really old EEPROM versions although I do have some here.  My PIC-Start Plus is about 3 or 4 years old and I don't know if it is upgradeable.  All I know is that the newest version of MPLAB will not communicate to it, so I am still using the original version that came with the unit.

Thus, that is why I am looking to upgrade to a more versatile programmer.  

Tim



On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Alan B. Pearce wrote:

>> What chips are not supported by the PicStart Plus?
>
> I had a feeling that the last iteration before they introduced the new flash
> upgradeable version had dropped some of the old 17C series. You would need
> to check through the readme files to verify this.
>
> --

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