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2002\06\29@201736 by personal

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2002\06\29@214318 by Tal Dayan

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For small quantities you may want to consider this
http://www.al-williams.com/awce/pak6.htm.

This converts the KB interface to a simple serial protocol.

Tal

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2002\06\29@225027 by Byron A Jeff

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On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 06:42:37PM -0700, Tal Dayan wrote:
> For small quantities you may want to consider this
> http://www.al-williams.com/awce/pak6.htm.
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> This converts the KB interface to a simple serial protocol.

For $30 U.S!!! Ouch!

I hate to fuss at the original poster but it just doesn't seem like they did
any of their homework. I typed 'pic pc keyboard' and got to code within
3 links of the results page. It took 30 seconds.

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2002\06\30@001314 by Byron A Jeff

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On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 10:50:18PM -0400, Byron A Jeff wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 06:42:37PM -0700, Tal Dayan wrote:
> > For small quantities you may want to consider this
> > http://www.al-williams.com/awce/pak6.htm.
> >
> > This converts the KB interface to a simple serial protocol.
>
> For $30 U.S!!! Ouch!
>
> I hate to fuss at the original poster but it just doesn't seem like they did
> any of their homework. I typed 'pic pc keyboard' and got to code within
> 3 links of the results page. It took 30 seconds.

Dumb followup. I typed this into google search box.

BAJ

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2002\06\30@010803 by personal
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the best I got till now is AVR313, app note. it is not picc.
I hope transferable to picc.

that 30 dollar chip is not good idea. you have pic already, why get a duplex
and pay
3 times more?

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2002\06\30@122505 by Dale Botkin

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How can we convince you to ask your questions in the body of the email,
not the subject line?

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2002\06\30@175003 by Peter L. Peres

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On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, Dale Botkin wrote:

>How can we convince you to ask your questions in the body of the email,
>not the subject line?

Chop the subject to 5 words not including [xx] ? At least it would make
for concise questions.

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2002\06\30@180933 by Olin Lathrop

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> How can we convince you to ask your questions in the body of the email,
> not the subject line?

Just ignore his messages.  Maybe he'll catch on eventually.


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2002\06\30@192241 by Andrew Errington

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> > How can we convince you to ask your questions in the body of the
> > email, not the subject line?

> Just ignore his messages.  Maybe he'll catch on eventually.

Am I the only one that finds this response astonishing?

Andy

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2002\06\30@200438 by fred jones

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No you aren't, but thats typical of that poster.


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2002\06\30@201724 by A.J. Tufgar

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Not really, with the amount of messages Olin responds to on this board.
He's entitled to responsed as such when someone won't listen.

Olin's a great help to the board and it's just common curtsey to respect
such a simple rule.

Aaron

>Am I the only one that finds this response astonishing?

>Andy

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2002\06\30@214059 by Shawn Mulligan

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No. To enjoy this list, you have to filter the holier-than-thou attitudes of
some posters and accept that you are only here for the information. Some
people treat the list like a CB radio, spurting rudeness to all within
earshot.


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'[PIC]:where can I find example to interface pc key'
2002\07\01@042829 by Alan B. Pearce
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>How can we convince you to ask your questions in the body of the email,
>not the subject line?

Can we persuade the list server to not forward emails without a message body
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2002\07\01@075333 by Drew Vassallo

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>Some
>people treat the list like a CB radio, spurting rudeness to all within
>earshot.

And yet others are only interested in sucking information FROM the list
instead of having it work both ways by contributing your share to help
develop the information base of the community.  And still others fail to
perform even the SIMPLEST research to answer their own questions.  Like the
original poster of this question, for example.  Byron showed how easy it was
to find exactly what that poster was looking for by using a well-known
search engine.

On the flip side, I've yet to see Olin actually ASK a question; he answers
pretty much all of them that he can, though.  You should be able to put up
with his "holier than thou" attitude, as you say, and respect the fact that
he's helping you out for free.

Of course, you could always just PAY him for the information he provides.
Yeah, like THAT'LL happen.  So just relax and hit the "delete" button if you
don't like his messages and move on.

I'm not just defending Olin here, these are my own opinions and apply to
others subscribed to this list as well.

--Andrew

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2002\07\01@113332 by Josh Koffman

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Or, questions with few spaces :)

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"Peter L. Peres" wrote:
> Chop the subject to 5 words not including [xx] ? At least it would make
> for concise questions.
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> Peter

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2002\07\01@122319 by Shawn Mulligan

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Andrew, you're absolutely right on all points and I apologize for my post --
especially on the implicit point of my being rude while accusing others of
the same. Furthermore, I spoke without considering the entire situation.

Contrary to what you might think, I highly respect Olin's technical advice
and his lessons are one of the main reasons for my monitoring this list. If
Olin were a professor, students (including myself) would line up to attend
his lectures, but they would also dance in the halls after his final (and be
better for the experience).

I contribute answers whenever I feel that my advise will help, but my less
than a year of experience can not match Olin's 27, or so (not forgetting the
experience of the list's other big-hitters). I'm simply saying this: I would
guess that more people would contribute to the list (a great outcome) if it
weren't for the fear of public humiliation.

Shawn

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2002\07\01@131354 by Drew Vassallo

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>I would
>guess that more people would contribute to the list (a great outcome) if it
>weren't for the fear of public humiliation.

Ok, since this topic isnt' really PIC related, this is the last word I'm
going to say on this.

It's not "fear of public humiliation" that's the problem.  It's a simple
matter of people doing a LITTLE research before posting a generic question.
That, and following a few simple guidelines to make it easier for the rest
of us to help out, such as describing your problem in the body of a post
rather than cramming it into a single cryptic subject header line.

When you ask for help, but you don't give even the slightest indication that
you've done some homework FIRST, then be prepared to take some lumps from
the old cronies on the list.

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2002\07\01@133457 by Shawn Mulligan

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I'm fortunate to have a strong educational background and lucky enough to
work in an environment surrounded by physicists, mathematicans, engineers
and programmers. This is my first engineering/programming job so I know what
it's like to be the guy who knows the least. As I learn and become more
skilled, I hope that I never forget what it was like to be novice. I hope
that I can always communicate with a novice at his or her level. Some of the
questions that I see dismissed as trivial here are not trivial to me yet.
Shawn


>When you ask for help, but you don't give even the slightest indication
>that
>you've done some homework FIRST, then be prepared to take some lumps from
>the old cronies on the list.
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2002\07\01@142208 by Bob Blick

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This is ridiculous, but typical.

I no longer even read Olin's posts, because mostly they are just a waste
of bandwidth, full of RTFM's and such.

If he took the combined time he spent posting garbage, and spent it making
a reasonably thought-out reply to even one post from a newbie, I would
applaud him.

Of course, at this point I wouldn't see it, because I no longer read his
posts, considering him to be nothing more than a vigilante, like those
Volvos in the fast lane preventing the normal flow of traffic.

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2002\07\01@152611 by Josh Koffman

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Ok, this thread stops here. We've come way too off topic, and are now
into personal comments. If you have negative things to say about
someone, say it to them in a private email. Not everyone needs to know
how you feel.

Sorry about this, but I have a bad feeling about where this is heading.

Thanks,
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2002\07\01@153027 by Dale Botkin

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On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Shawn Mulligan wrote:

> Some of the questions that I see dismissed as trivial here are not
> trivial to me yet. Shawn

No, I'm sure thay're not.  They're probably FAQs and/or have volumes of
material already on the net about them, though, and some people simply
don't even try to investigate before posting questions.  That will get
responses ranging all the way from patient, detailed explanations to
pointers to the FAQ or Google to "RTFM".

Dale

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2002\07\01@224548 by SM Ling

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> This is ridiculous, but typical.
>
> I no longer even read Olin's posts, because mostly they are just a waste
> of bandwidth, full of RTFM's and such.
>
> If he took the combined time he spent posting garbage, and spent it making
> a reasonably thought-out reply to even one post from a newbie, I would
> applaud him.
>
> Of course, at this point I wouldn't see it, because I no longer read his
> posts, considering him to be nothing more than a vigilante, like those
> Volvos in the fast lane preventing the normal flow of traffic.

It is hard to be on the receiving end when Olin reprimands, but if he had
not Piclist would become a typical newsgroup.  It will be have so much junk
that the good and the kinder ones will find it not worthwhile to stay on.
Indirectly, he is upkeeping the list for you and me.

Cheers, Ling SM

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2002\07\02@032633 by Mike Singer

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  Thank you Bob.
  Big hitters need to be hitted once in a while.
You are a cool man, sure. The only thing I can't
catch is at what point should I laugh, reading your humour posting? When you promise not to read Olin's posts? Or when you complain of those Volvos, preventing some kamikazes make suicide at 200 mph speed in the fast lane.    Could you explain, please.

  Mike.

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2002\07\03@025831 by Joe Farr

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This months Electronics World (August 2002) has just an article 'Interfacing an AT keyboard to a PIC'

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