Post by thread:[PIC]:where can I find example to interface pc key

On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 06:42:37PM -0700, Tal Dayan wrote: > For small quantities you may want to consider this > http://www.al-williams.com/awce/pak6.htm. > > This converts the KB interface to a simple serial protocol. For $30 U.S!!! Ouch! I hate to fuss at the original poster but it just doesn't seem like they did any of their homework. I typed 'pic pc keyboard' and got to code within 3 links of the results page. It took 30 seconds. BAJ -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email .....listservKILLspam@spam@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 10:50:18PM -0400, Byron A Jeff wrote: > On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 06:42:37PM -0700, Tal Dayan wrote: > > For small quantities you may want to consider this > > http://www.al-williams.com/awce/pak6.htm. > > > > This converts the KB interface to a simple serial protocol. > > For $30 U.S!!! Ouch! > > I hate to fuss at the original poster but it just doesn't seem like they did > any of their homework. I typed 'pic pc keyboard' and got to code within > 3 links of the results page. It took 30 seconds. Dumb followup. I typed this into google search box. BAJ -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList piclist-unsubscribe-requestKILLspammitvma.mit.edu

How can we convince you to ask your questions in the body of the email, not the subject line? Dale -- "Curiosity is the very basis of education and if you tell me that curiosity killed the cat, I say only the cat died nobly." - Arnold Edinborough -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList EraseMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestspam_OUTTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu

> How can we convince you to ask your questions in the body of the email, > not the subject line? Just ignore his messages. Maybe he'll catch on eventually. ***************************************************************** Embed Inc, embedded system specialists in Littleton Massachusetts (978) 742-9014, http://www.embedinc.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList @spam@piclist-unsubscribe-requestKILLspammitvma.mit.edu

No you aren't, but thats typical of that poster. {Quote hidden}>From: Andrew Errington <RemoveMEa.erringtonTakeThisOuTLANCASTER.AC.UK> >Reply-To: pic microcontroller discussion list <spamBeGonePICLISTspamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU> >To: TakeThisOuTPICLISTEraseMEspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU >Subject: Re: [PIC]:where can I find example to interface pc keybaord, > in high-tech picc? >Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:21:31 +0100 > > > > How can we convince you to ask your questions in the body of the > > > email, not the subject line? > > > Just ignore his messages. Maybe he'll catch on eventually. > >Am I the only one that finds this response astonishing? > >Andy > >-- >http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList >RemoveMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList piclist-unsubscribe-requestEraseME.....mitvma.mit.edu

Not really, with the amount of messages Olin responds to on this board. He's entitled to responsed as such when someone won't listen. Olin's a great help to the board and it's just common curtsey to respect such a simple rule. Aaron >Am I the only one that finds this response astonishing? >Andy -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList EraseMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestmitvma.mit.edu

No. To enjoy this list, you have to filter the holier-than-thou attitudes of some posters and accept that you are only here for the information. Some people treat the list like a CB radio, spurting rudeness to all within earshot. {Quote hidden}>From: Andrew Errington <RemoveMEa.erringtonEraseMEEraseMELANCASTER.AC.UK> >Reply-To: pic microcontroller discussion list <RemoveMEPICLISTspam_OUTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU> >To: RemoveMEPICLISTTakeThisOuTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU >Subject: Re: [PIC]:where can I find example to interface pc keybaord, > in high-tech picc? >Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:21:31 +0100 > > > > How can we convince you to ask your questions in the body of the > > > email, not the subject line? > > > Just ignore his messages. Maybe he'll catch on eventually. > >Am I the only one that finds this response astonishing? > >Andy > >-- >http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList >EraseMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestspamspamBeGonemitvma.mit.edu _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList RemoveMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestKILLspammitvma.mit.edu

>Some >people treat the list like a CB radio, spurting rudeness to all within >earshot. And yet others are only interested in sucking information FROM the list instead of having it work both ways by contributing your share to help develop the information base of the community. And still others fail to perform even the SIMPLEST research to answer their own questions. Like the original poster of this question, for example. Byron showed how easy it was to find exactly what that poster was looking for by using a well-known search engine. On the flip side, I've yet to see Olin actually ASK a question; he answers pretty much all of them that he can, though. You should be able to put up with his "holier than thou" attitude, as you say, and respect the fact that he's helping you out for free. Of course, you could always just PAY him for the information he provides. Yeah, like THAT'LL happen. So just relax and hit the "delete" button if you don't like his messages and move on. I'm not just defending Olin here, these are my own opinions and apply to others subscribed to this list as well. --Andrew _________________________________________________________________ Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

Or, questions with few spaces :) Josh -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -Douglas Adams "Peter L. Peres" wrote: > Chop the subject to 5 words not including [xx] ? At least it would make > for concise questions. > > Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

Andrew, you're absolutely right on all points and I apologize for my post -- especially on the implicit point of my being rude while accusing others of the same. Furthermore, I spoke without considering the entire situation. Contrary to what you might think, I highly respect Olin's technical advice and his lessons are one of the main reasons for my monitoring this list. If Olin were a professor, students (including myself) would line up to attend his lectures, but they would also dance in the halls after his final (and be better for the experience). I contribute answers whenever I feel that my advise will help, but my less than a year of experience can not match Olin's 27, or so (not forgetting the experience of the list's other big-hitters). I'm simply saying this: I would guess that more people would contribute to the list (a great outcome) if it weren't for the fear of public humiliation. Shawn So just relax and hit the "delete" {Quote hidden}>button if you >don't like his messages and move on. > >I'm not just defending Olin here, these are my own opinions and apply to >others subscribed to this list as well. > >--Andrew > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > >-- >http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: >[PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads _________________________________________________________________ Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

>I would >guess that more people would contribute to the list (a great outcome) if it >weren't for the fear of public humiliation. Ok, since this topic isnt' really PIC related, this is the last word I'm going to say on this. It's not "fear of public humiliation" that's the problem. It's a simple matter of people doing a LITTLE research before posting a generic question. That, and following a few simple guidelines to make it easier for the rest of us to help out, such as describing your problem in the body of a post rather than cramming it into a single cryptic subject header line. When you ask for help, but you don't give even the slightest indication that you've done some homework FIRST, then be prepared to take some lumps from the old cronies on the list. --Andrew _________________________________________________________________ Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

I'm fortunate to have a strong educational background and lucky enough to work in an environment surrounded by physicists, mathematicans, engineers and programmers. This is my first engineering/programming job so I know what it's like to be the guy who knows the least. As I learn and become more skilled, I hope that I never forget what it was like to be novice. I hope that I can always communicate with a novice at his or her level. Some of the questions that I see dismissed as trivial here are not trivial to me yet. Shawn >When you ask for help, but you don't give even the slightest indication >that >you've done some homework FIRST, then be prepared to take some lumps from >the old cronies on the list. > >--Andrew _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

This is ridiculous, but typical. I no longer even read Olin's posts, because mostly they are just a waste of bandwidth, full of RTFM's and such. If he took the combined time he spent posting garbage, and spent it making a reasonably thought-out reply to even one post from a newbie, I would applaud him. Of course, at this point I wouldn't see it, because I no longer read his posts, considering him to be nothing more than a vigilante, like those Volvos in the fast lane preventing the normal flow of traffic. -Bob -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

Ok, this thread stops here. We've come way too off topic, and are now into personal comments. If you have negative things to say about someone, say it to them in a private email. Not everyone needs to know how you feel. Sorry about this, but I have a bad feeling about where this is heading. Thanks, Josh Koffman Admin 5 -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -Douglas Adams -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Shawn Mulligan wrote: > Some of the questions that I see dismissed as trivial here are not > trivial to me yet. Shawn No, I'm sure thay're not. They're probably FAQs and/or have volumes of material already on the net about them, though, and some people simply don't even try to investigate before posting questions. That will get responses ranging all the way from patient, detailed explanations to pointers to the FAQ or Google to "RTFM". Dale -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

> This is ridiculous, but typical. > > I no longer even read Olin's posts, because mostly they are just a waste > of bandwidth, full of RTFM's and such. > > If he took the combined time he spent posting garbage, and spent it making > a reasonably thought-out reply to even one post from a newbie, I would > applaud him. > > Of course, at this point I wouldn't see it, because I no longer read his > posts, considering him to be nothing more than a vigilante, like those > Volvos in the fast lane preventing the normal flow of traffic. It is hard to be on the receiving end when Olin reprimands, but if he had not Piclist would become a typical newsgroup. It will be have so much junk that the good and the kinder ones will find it not worthwhile to stay on. Indirectly, he is upkeeping the list for you and me. Cheers, Ling SM -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

Thank you Bob. Big hitters need to be hitted once in a while. You are a cool man, sure. The only thing I can't catch is at what point should I laugh, reading your humour posting? When you promise not to read Olin's posts? Or when you complain of those Volvos, preventing some kamikazes make suicide at 200 mph speed in the fast lane. Could you explain, please. Mike. Bob Blick wrote: {Quote hidden}> This is ridiculous, but typical. > I no longer even read Olin's posts, because mostly they are > just a waste > of bandwidth, full of RTFM's and such. > If he took the combined time he spent posting garbage, and > spent it making > a reasonably thought-out reply to even one post from a newbie, I would > applaud him. > Of course, at this point I wouldn't see it, because I no > longer read his > posts, considering him to be nothing more than a vigilante, like those > Volvos in the fast lane preventing the normal flow of traffic. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics