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2000\10\04@020632 by Tony Nixon

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Hi all,

I've been mucking around with another programmer idea and it is just
about ready to be put up on the web site.

I've called it the PicPocket (for now).

It's actually a stand alone unit that can program most of the 12Cxxx and
16Cxxx range of PICs and doesn't need a PC to run. It can also operate
off 2 X 9V batteries.

It has an LCD display and only 4 press buttons which select a variety of
functions like read, write, verify, blank test etc.

You can choose a chip from an inbuilt data base and add or delete the
chip data by modifying a text file and upload it from the PC. That way
you can keep only the chips that you are interested in and discard the
rest.

You can upload and download HEX files to and from the PC or read
directly from a chip and this info is stored in EEPROM.

It also has a built in 14 bit code dissassembler. The LCD displays the
output like this...

001A.1003.BCF...
STATUS,C........

You can also modify the HEX code and the display will show the new
dissassembly automatically. Any HEX code that does not make sense is
highlighted. You can choose which RAM page data to dissassemble from and
the data base for this is freely customizable.

You can scan though all the ROM/EEPROM and will also display ASCII data.

0059.3072.MOVLW.
72h.'r'.........

The fuse display is like this, and the data can also be modified as well
as the text names.

OSC..........<
HS.......3FF2.

There is also a PC driver built in which interfaces to my Windows
programmer.

Another driver is also included to upload code to F series chips via a
bootloader.

It should be up on the web site soon.

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2000\10\04@030148 by staff

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Sounds nice! Will it also beat the pictstart plus time
for programming f876 and f877??




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2000\10\04@093046 by Severson, Rob

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Tony,

Consider this idea: Make the PicPocket daisy-chain-able. If the module can
be stand-alone-ish, it would probably be reasonable to make one run from the
next that it connects to.

The thought is to make a reasonable gang programmer by chaining these. No
one else has done this with reasonably priced PIC programmers. I'd be a boon
to small production runs.

What do you think?

-Rob

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2000\10\04@094117 by David Covick

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Tony,

Sounds like a great product.

My comments to add are this:

Some way to "code protect" the hex code that is in the programmer so that
the programmer can be given to some outside entity for the programming of
chips?  When there is a software change, they can send in the
programmer....or something like this, to get the code updated as required
for the new revision.

Keep up the good work.

David

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2000\10\04@094739 by David Covick

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Adding to my last post.........

How about a software key that allows so-many programmings of chips before a
lock-out on the programmer.  Then a fee has to be paid to purchase a new
quantity of programmings...........

Ok, I'll shut up now :)

David

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2000\10\04@101458 by Martin Hill

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Sounds like this could develop into a recurring thread.  If the
programmer is to be used to program chips you will always be able
to grab the code whatever protection you put on it.

Martin

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2000\10\04@102328 by David Covick

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Martin,

No disagreement here.
Strike that from the list!! :)

David

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that
> > the programmer can be given to some outside entity for the programming
of
> > chips?  When there is a software change, they can send in the
> > programmer....or something like this, to get the code updated as
required
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and
> > > 16Cxxx range of PICs and doesn't need a PC to run. It can also operate
> > > off 2 X 9V batteries.
> > >
> > > It has an LCD display and only 4 press buttons which select a variety
of
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and
> > > the data base for this is freely customizable.
> > >
> > > You can scan though all the ROM/EEPROM and will also display ASCII
data.
> > >
> > > 0059.3072.MOVLW.
> > > 72h.'r'.........
> > >
> > > The fuse display is like this, and the data can also be modified as
well
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2000\10\04@104409 by James Paul

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Tony,

I think this sounds great.   I'd be interested.  Let me know more
details as they become available.

                                     Thanks and Regards,

                                            Jim


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2000\10\04@105827 by Andrew Kunz

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Tony,

Is this production-voltage levels, or hobbyist only?

Andy








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Adding to my last post.........

How about a software key that allows so-many programmings of chips before a
lock-out on the programmer.  Then a fee has to be paid to purchase a new
quantity of programmings...........

Ok, I'll shut up now :)

David

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2000\10\04@113452 by Bob Ammerman

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> Tony,
>
> Is this production-voltage levels, or hobbyist only?

Uh... that's 'development voltage levels', not hobbyist. :-)


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that
> > the programmer can be given to some outside entity for the programming
of
> > chips?  When there is a software change, they can send in the
> > programmer....or something like this, to get the code updated as
required
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and
> > > 16Cxxx range of PICs and doesn't need a PC to run. It can also operate
> > > off 2 X 9V batteries.
> > >
> > > It has an LCD display and only 4 press buttons which select a variety
of
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and
> > > the data base for this is freely customizable.
> > >
> > > You can scan though all the ROM/EEPROM and will also display ASCII
data.
> > >
> > > 0059.3072.MOVLW.
> > > 72h.'r'.........
> > >
> > > The fuse display is like this, and the data can also be modified as
well
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2000\10\04@114740 by jamesnewton

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I'd be interested in having some minor ability to stimulate a target circuit
(function generator, etc..) and read voltages and signals from it (DVM,
'scope, logic analyzer, frequency counter). I'm talking very basic stuff
here, not a replacement for the real tools but just something to do some
quick "reasonableness" checks. Is the power supply working? Is the
oscillator running? What does this (audio frequency) signal look like? What
values did this port output when it got triggered by this input? As long as
you have to hook it up to program the target, why not also use it to test
the target... I get so tired of unplugging this, so I can plug that in and
program and then unplug that so I can connect this to stimulate and the
other to read out and then repeating that cycle again and again... also, its
a pain to manually operate 5 or 10 different devices when I could possibly
automate the testing from a PC via a script, etc...

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2000\10\04@125124 by Dan Michaels

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Tony Nixon wrote:
.........
>I've called it the PicPocket (for now).
>
>It's actually a stand alone unit that can program most of the 12Cxxx and
>16Cxxx range of PICs and doesn't need a PC to run. It can also operate
>off 2 X 9V batteries.
.................
>You can choose a chip from an inbuilt data base and add or delete the
>chip data by modifying a text file and upload it from the PC. That way
>you can keep only the chips that you are interested in and discard the
>rest.
..............
>

Hi Tony,

I think this is very good idea. I have 5 or 6 different PIC hex files
that I routinely use on a moments notice, and having a painless way
to choose and program chips would be a time saver. I also like Rob
Severson's idea about making it daisy-chain-able.

The two biggest problems I can see are hex file storage and socketing
for 8-, 18-, 28-, and 40-pin chips. Assuming you are using I2C EEPROMs
for storage, you'll need a very large one to make this whole idea
attractive. And the multi-pinout socket problem is always problematical.
===================


James Newton wrote:
>I'd be interested in having some minor ability to stimulate a target circuit
>(function generator, etc..) and read voltages and signals from it (DVM,
>'scope, logic analyzer, frequency counter). I'm talking very basic stuff
..........
>P.S. Don't say CUMP!
>

Uh oh, "minor" <-- shades of deva vu!!

Tony, it would always be great if you could program a chip and
"immediately" test it, especially in a completely automated fashion,
but ....... let's make a guess about relatively amount of work involved:

Your idea, work = 100%, add in the second "minor" test capability, bump
up work by 400%, and increase pcb real estate and product cost by 250%.
Make testing fully automated, increase work by 1000%. Been there, done
that. [and you will recall I voted 34 and 7 in the last poll <:-)].

best regards,
- Dan Michaels
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2000\10\04@130338 by Andrew Kunz

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>The two biggest problems I can see are hex file storage and socketing
>for 8-, 18-, 28-, and 40-pin chips. Assuming you are using I2C EEPROMs
>for storage, you'll need a very large one to make this whole idea
>attractive. And the multi-pinout socket problem is always problematical.

The Carmacon programmer handles it fine.  28 & 40's have the same pin
connections for programming, and 8 & 18 can be done in the same socket because
of the position of MCLR.

Two 64K EE's should handle pretty much anything you'd throw at a PIC for a long
time.

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2000\10\04@134738 by Severson, Rob

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Also, Tony, if it hasn't been mentioned: Include a header/cable/whatever for
in-circuit programming. It'd be nice to load this device with a hex file at
a development machine and walk it over to "production" to program boards.
Saves walking a floppy around, loading code to a machine, etc.

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2000\10\04@161747 by Andy Howard

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> Also, Tony, if it hasn't been mentioned: Include a header/cable/whatever
for
> in-circuit programming.


Yes!  I'll vote for that several times over.



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2000\10\04@182844 by Tony Nixon

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Hi Gang,

Thanks for the feedback on the PicPocket.

It would appear that it could do with a few more refinements, so I may
hold off a bit longer and implement them now rather than later.

Goodbye 16F873 - Hello 16F876. Got some coming today.


Roman Black wrote:
>
> Sounds nice! Will it also beat the pictstart plus time
> for programming f876 and f877??

The data transfer is quite fast, but you still have a minimum
programming time to deal with, especially on flash chips.

"Severson, Rob" wrote:

> The thought is to make a reasonable gang programmer by chaining these. No
> one else has done this with reasonably priced PIC programmers. I'd be a boon
> to small production runs.
>
> What do you think?

Good idea, I'll see how the hardware/software fits together.

David Covick wrote:
> How about a software key that allows so-many programmings of chips before a
> lock-out on the programmer.  Then a fee has to be paid to purchase a new
> quantity of programmings...........

Maybe a password for the operator to protect the code. The data in the
EEPROMs can be encrypted.


Andrew Kunz wrote:
>
> Tony,
>
> Is this production-voltage levels, or hobbyist only?

I can make it operator programmable levels if there is interest.


James Newton wrote:
>
> I'd be interested in having some minor ability to stimulate a target circuit
[snip]

A good idea, but hard to implement in practice. (especially pocket size)


Dan Michaels wrote:

> The two biggest problems I can see are hex file storage and socketing
> for 8-, 18-, 28-, and 40-pin chips. Assuming you are using I2C EEPROMs
> for storage, you'll need a very large one to make this whole idea
> attractive. And the multi-pinout socket problem is always problematical.

Not so, most 12C5xx, 12C6xx, 16Cxxx, 16Fxxx can be programmed from a
single 40 pin ZIF socket. Plus I2C eeproms and 93xxx series, and there
is room for things like pre-programming Dallas 1 wire products.

> Uh oh, "minor" <-- shades of deva vu!!

|-)


Andrew Kunz wrote:

> Two 64K EE's should handle pretty much anything you'd throw at a PIC for a long
> time.

I'm using 2 X 32K serial EEPROMs, 1 for the text data base and one for
the PIC data, I couldn't find 64K ones, do they exist?


"Severson, Rob" wrote:
>
> Also, Tony, if it hasn't been mentioned: Include a header/cable/whatever for
> in-circuit programming. It'd be nice to load this device with a hex file at
> a development machine and walk it over to "production" to program boards.
> Saves walking a floppy around, loading code to a machine, etc.

That's why I was asking about the ISCP the other day :-)

It should also be a boon for non critical in circuit boot loaders.


And I'm sorry guys, it's not MPBLAB compatable. I couldn't fit the exe
into the EEPROM :-)

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2000\10\04@212519 by Andy Howard

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> Hi Gang,

> Thanks for the feedback on the PicPocket.

<SNIP>



> Andrew Kunz wrote:
>
> > Two 64K EE's should handle pretty much anything you'd throw at a PIC for
a long
> > time.
>
> I'm using 2 X 32K serial EEPROMs, 1 for the text data base and one for
> the PIC data, I couldn't find 64K ones, do they exist?

Atmel do serial EEPROM up to 128k x 8, and their DataFlash in even bigger
sizes, though whether you can get any this decade might be a different
matter of course.
















> "Severson, Rob" wrote:
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> > Also, Tony, if it hasn't been mentioned: Include a header/cable/whatever
for
> > in-circuit programming. It'd be nice to load this device with a hex file
at
> > a development machine and walk it over to "production" to program
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2000\10\04@215431 by Tony Nixon

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Andy Howard wrote:

> Atmel do serial EEPROM up to 128k x 8, and their DataFlash in even bigger
> sizes, though whether you can get any this decade might be a different
> matter of course.

From what I've heard about ATMEL EEPROMS low endurance, I may stick with
Microchip.


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2000\10\04@232355 by Jim Robertson

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At 12:53 PM 05/10/00 +1100, you wrote:
>Andy Howard wrote:
>
>> Atmel do serial EEPROM up to 128k x 8, and their DataFlash in even bigger
>> sizes, though whether you can get any this decade might be a different
>> matter of course.
>
>From what I've heard about ATMEL EEPROMS low endurance, I may stick with
>Microchip.


1,000,000 write cycles is low endurance? Some people are hard to please. ;-)

-Jim
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2000\10\04@235812 by staff

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Tony Nixon wrote:
> Roman Black wrote:
> >
> > Sounds nice! Will it also beat the pictstart plus time
> > for programming f876 and f877??
>
> The data transfer is quite fast, but you still have a minimum
> programming time to deal with, especially on flash chips.

Sorry Tony I should have been more specific. Can you select
just to program part of the rom? Even if this requires blanking
once at the start, then as program size increases it only needs
to program the same size as the code (or the last code) and
just leaves the top area blank and can still verify? I develop
stuff on the 877 and like to do small sections first, it annoys
me to have to program 8k when I an testing a 120 word program!
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2000\10\05@003506 by Tony Nixon

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Roman Black wrote:
>
> Tony Nixon wrote:
> > Roman Black wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds nice! Will it also beat the pictstart plus time
> > > for programming f876 and f877??
> >
> > The data transfer is quite fast, but you still have a minimum
> > programming time to deal with, especially on flash chips.
>
> Sorry Tony I should have been more specific. Can you select
> just to program part of the rom? Even if this requires blanking
> once at the start, then as program size increases it only needs
> to program the same size as the code (or the last code) and
> just leaves the top area blank and can still verify? I develop
> stuff on the 877 and like to do small sections first, it annoys
> me to have to program 8k when I an testing a 120 word program!
> -Roman


Try ROMzap in "Turbo Mode". Reprogramming can take maximum time or down
to milli seconds depending on the data change.


A similar method can (will) be employed on the programmer when I work
out the details.

The best part about the programmer is that it is all EEPROM based and
everything can be updated easily including the software.


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2000\10\05@042720 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Also, Tony, if it hasn't been mentioned: Include a header/cable/whatever for
>in-circuit programming. It'd be nice to load this device with a hex file at

and make it pin compatible to the Microchip devices with the RJ connector.

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2000\10\05@070554 by Andrew Kunz

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And make it compatible with the Parallax/Tech-Tools programmer's, so that we
don't lose our investment in adapters!

Andy








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2000\10\05@072249 by Andrew Kunz

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>I'm using 2 X 32K serial EEPROMs, 1 for the text data base and one for
>the PIC data, I couldn't find 64K ones, do they exist?


Actually, size-wise, you are better off going with an AT45Dxxx Serial DataFlash.

You can store multiple chips in there easily, plus algorithms for basic burning
features (using a p-code language), etc.  The size is about the same in TSOP as
two 8-pin DIP chips.

Plus they burn quicker, and use SPI interface (ie, you can talk faster, and/or
use hardware SPI port).

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2000\10\05@072258 by Andrew Kunz

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2000\10\05@081709 by Andrew Kunz

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The Atmel FLASH parts don't have the same problem.  That was an EE deal only.

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Andy Howard wrote:

> Atmel do serial EEPROM up to 128k x 8, and their DataFlash in even bigger
> sizes, though whether you can get any this decade might be a different
> matter of course.

From what I've heard about ATMEL EEPROMS low endurance, I may stick with
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2000\10\05@083155 by Andrew Kunz

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Jim,

I got them started on that line.

We made several thousand in-TV boards for a hospital TV control system.  Writes
are made to a particular part of EE once every several minutes, as I recall.
After a few months, the boards with Atmel chips died.  The Microchip ones are
still singing along.

Andy









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At 12:53 PM 05/10/00 +1100, you wrote:
>Andy Howard wrote:
>
>> Atmel do serial EEPROM up to 128k x 8, and their DataFlash in even bigger
>> sizes, though whether you can get any this decade might be a different
>> matter of course.
>
>From what I've heard about ATMEL EEPROMS low endurance, I may stick with
>Microchip.


1,000,000 write cycles is low endurance? Some people are hard to please. ;-)

-Jim
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2000\10\05@090745 by Jim Robertson

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At 08:32 AM 05/10/00 -0400, you wrote:

Hi Andy,

I will keep what you say in mind. I was quoting the specified endurance
figures of course.

-Jim



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2000\10\05@094456 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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Is the kitchen sink going to be standard or optional? :o)

Mike

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2000\10\05@100324 by Andrew Kunz

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Yes, I figured as much.  Also, this was only from a single lot code, too (which
I don't have handy) and it might not reflect on all Atmel parts.

It was one EXPENSIVE lesson to learn!

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At 08:32 AM 05/10/00 -0400, you wrote:

Hi Andy,

I will keep what you say in mind. I was quoting the specified endurance
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-Jim



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2000\10\05@110207 by Dan Michaels

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Michael Rigby-Jones wrote:
>Is the kitchen sink going to be standard or optional? :o)
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>> And make it compatible with the Parallax/Tech-Tools programmer's, so that
>> we
>> don't lose our investment in adapters!
>>
>> Andy
>>


Tony, nice idea, I think for your new programmer, and lots of
good comments, too, from piclisters. Just remember - the CUMP
was a NOPPP designed by egroup. Now it's dead.

Also, from several current threads, I get the impression that
the very "last" thing you want to do is paint yourself into any
design corner that relies on Atmel "only" for your EEPROMs or
any other parts.

best regards,
- danM

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2000\10\05@111015 by Andrew Kunz

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Good point.  Use Compact Flash instead.  Then we can write the HEX files to it
from our laptops and just pop the memory into the programmer.

They you could collect the bonus for first person to support a FAT-16 hard drive
directly on a PIC too.

Oh, my, are we getting carried away or what!!!

CUMP comments are starting to become relevant!

Andy









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Michael Rigby-Jones wrote:
>Is the kitchen sink going to be standard or optional? :o)
>
>> And make it compatible with the Parallax/Tech-Tools programmer's, so that
>> we
>> don't lose our investment in adapters!
>>
>> Andy
>>


Tony, nice idea, I think for your new programmer, and lots of
good comments, too, from piclisters. Just remember - the CUMP
was a NOPPP designed by egroup. Now it's dead.

Also, from several current threads, I get the impression that
the very "last" thing you want to do is paint yourself into any
design corner that relies on Atmel "only" for your EEPROMs or
any other parts.

best regards,
- danM

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2000\10\05@132654 by Dale Botkin

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And can you make it fetch me coffee or Diet Dew when I'm downstairs and
the drinks are up in the kitchen?  That would be a good feature...
8-)

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2000\10\05@133722 by M. Adam Davis

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Aha!  Another picster who has to run upstairs to the kitchen from the lab!  I
suspect there are many of us basement/celler dwellers.

Although I'm lucky, I have a fridge (currently turned off :-(  ) next to the
wash basin, a TV on the other side of the basement, and a microwave below the
TV.

-Adam

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2000\10\05@135847 by Mitchell D. Miller

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One of my collegues has a fridge in his garage.  He removed the shelves and
installed a used beer tap through the door ... now he has room for a full
keg.  No longer does he have to run in from the garage to get a cold one!

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2000\10\05@205436 by Tony Nixon

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"Alan B. Pearce" wrote:


> and make it pin compatible to the Microchip devices with the RJ connector.


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2003\01\02@063457 by sweety
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hi

    i wanto buy a PIC Programmer which is good as well as low
cost,any suggestion.

regards
sweety

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2003\01\02@071624 by Jonathan Johnson

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try this one in Australia, he sends all over the world and has really good
prices and loads of info on his website:
http://www.dontronics.com
By the way I am in no way affiliated with this business in any way.
JJ
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2003\01\02@104227 by Tal

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P16PRO, inexpensive and reliable, schematic qnd information avaialble at
http://www.picallw.com, kits avaiable from
http://www.electronics123.com/amazon/catalogue/c3-3-7.htm and others.
You can run it with the free software from http://www.ic-prog.com or use the
shareware from http://www.picallw.com (free fro 16F84, no yet support for
16F876A last time I checked).

I used it with great success and have no affiliation with any of them.

Remember to get a power supply (extra 6$) if you need one.

Tal

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2003\01\02@143749 by Dave King

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At 07:41 AM 02/01/03, you wrote:
>P16PRO, inexpensive and reliable, schematic qnd information avaialble at
>http://www.picallw.com, kits avaiable from
>http://www.electronics123.com/amazon/catalogue/c3-3-7.htm and others.
>You can run it with the free software from http://www.ic-prog.com or use the
>shareware from http://www.picallw.com (free fro 16F84, no yet support for
>16F876A last time I checked).
>
>Tal

P16Pro supports the 16F876A (and just about everything else) if you
use Ic-Prog which is free.

Dave

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2003\01\02@170316 by dson Brusque (PICList)

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Hello Tal,

>You can run it with the free software from http://www.ic-prog.com or use the
>shareware from http://www.picallw.com (free fro 16F84, no yet support for
>16F876A last time I checked).
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>
   the Picall 0.13d have support (probably untested) for the PIC16F87xA
parts. The last update was on October/2002.

   Best regards,

   Brusque


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