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'[PIC]:Should I get another programmer'
2005\06\30@191626 by John Nall

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(Great start, John.  Breaking the rules already.  Sorry folks.  I
forgot to put the [PIC[ on the first one, and hang my head in shame
and brace myself for the stones coming my way.)

I've been gone from the Piclist for a couple of years (had to go out
into the cruel world and earn some money) and am just now ready to get
back into the swing of things.  I have been reading the mail for
awhile (as befits such a humble person) and looks like a lot of new
things out there.  When I left, I had a Wisp628 programmer, which I
thought was just fine and dandy.  But I feel sure that technology has
passed me by and that I probably need a new programmer in order to use
the new Microchip products..  Would appreciate any hints on what the
best for the money is these days.  I do this for a hobby, use both
Windows XP and Linux, and although on somewhat of a tight budget, it
is not bare-bones by any means.

Thanks for any suggestions.

John

2005\06\30@195556 by Chen Xiao Fan

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Wisp628 is quite good. So keep it and look at Xwisp2 for more
supported chips. After the good EasyProg/Wisp628/..., the
next choice will be ICD2 for hobbyists. I think this one is
quite agreed on the list (very seldom happening in the list).

Xiaofan
R&D Engineer, Photoelectric Development
Pepperl+Fuchs (Mfg) Pte. Ltd.
Singapore
http://www.pepperl-fuchs.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Nall [spam_OUTjwnallTakeThisOuTspamgmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 7:16 AM
To: .....piclistKILLspamspam@spam@mit.edu
Subject: [PIC]:Should I get another programmer
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When I left, I had a Wisp628 programmer, which I thought was just fine
and dandy.  But I feel sure that technology has
passed me by and that I probably need a new programmer in order to use
the new Microchip products..
...
John

2005\06\30@205830 by Herbert Graf

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On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 19:16 -0400, John Nall wrote:
> I've been gone from the Piclist for a couple of years (had to go out
> into the cruel world and earn some money) and am just now ready to get
> back into the swing of things.  I have been reading the mail for
> awhile (as befits such a humble person) and looks like a lot of new
> things out there.  When I left, I had a Wisp628 programmer, which I
> thought was just fine and dandy.  But I feel sure that technology has
> passed me by and that I probably need a new programmer in order to use
> the new Microchip products..  Would appreciate any hints on what the
> best for the money is these days.  I do this for a hobby, use both
> Windows XP and Linux, and although on somewhat of a tight budget, it
> is not bare-bones by any means.

While there is nothing at all wrong with the Wisp628, I'd say, that if
you AREN'T on a bare bones budget an ICD2 is a must have. Once you go
ICD, you never go back... Aside from the ICD features the fact that
pretty much every pic released since the flash parts started is
supported is a BIG bonus.

I don't even bother looking if the PIC I'm considering is supported by
the ICD2 when I'm shopping, the freedom is great. TTYL

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Herbert's PIC Stuff:
http://repatch.dyndns.org:8383/pic_stuff/

2005\06\30@214836 by John J. McDonough

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I'm a little but with Herbert on this.  The Wisp is pretty nice, and it's
going to cover a huge fraction of the PICs you might want to play with.
Wouter has upgraded the software many times, so you really aren't missing a
terrible lot, save for the dsPICs.

On the other hand, the ICD2 thing is pretty cool, and if $160 isn't gonna
break the bank, you won't be sorry.

--McD

----- Original Message -----
From: "Herbert Graf" <mailinglist2spamKILLspamfarcite.net>
To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." <.....piclistKILLspamspam.....mit.edu>
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [PIC]:Should I get another programmer


> On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 19:16 -0400, John Nall wrote:
>> I've been gone from the Piclist for a couple of years (had to go out
>> into the cruel world and earn some money) and am just now ready to get


'[PIC]:Should I get another programmer'
2005\07\01@030528 by Wouter van Ooijen
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> When I left, I had a Wisp628 programmer, which I
> thought was just fine and dandy.  But I feel sure that technology has
> passed me by and that I probably need a new programmer in order to use
> the new Microchip products.

My work on the next Wisp628 firmware does not progress very fast (too
much other things to do) but I will get there in the end, so maybe you
should at least not throw the Wisp628 in the bin. Or you might try to
run Olin's software on it, someone has ported his software to run on my
hardware :)

If you have the money to spend I would suggest an ICD2 (or a cheaper
clone).

Wouter van Ooijen

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2005\07\01@030528 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> While there is nothing at all wrong with the Wisp628, I'd say, that if
> you AREN'T on a bare bones budget an ICD2 is a must have. Once you go
> ICD, you never go back...

I am of course not unbiased, but I have a PS+, ICD2 and Wisp628 on my
desk. I use the Wisp628 for almost everything, because I can include the
programming step in my compile/link/program scripts. That is not a
feature of the ICD2 programming hardware, but of the PC software.

Wouter van Ooijen

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2005\07\01@040641 by Chen Xiao Fan

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Even though I think ICD2 is nice to have but I do not think
highly of it as a programmer. Maybe it is because I was using
Promate II as my first programmer. Maybe it is because I
am now using 12F629 at work.

Personally I have worked with ICD2, PICkit 1 and Promate II
(not any more though) at work and an self-made Wisp628 and
another self-made Wisp628 with EasyISP firmware after work.
I also tried a clone ICD2 before but it was not so good.

I like PICkit 1 the most for my 12F629 programming. ICD2 is simply
not working for the particular configuration (internal MCLR and
internal oscillator). Okay there is a hack for this but it is not
so elegant. For higher pin count parts, ICD2 is okay. For dsPIC,
now the only choice seems to be ICD2.

Another problem with ICD2 is that no standard-alone command line
host program to support it and it is not cross platform (other than
the still-not-fully working LPLAB which is only for RS232 connection
but is for both Win32 and Linux).

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Xiaofan Chen
R&D Engineer, Photoelectric Sensor Development
Pepperl+Fuchs Singapore
http://www.pepperl-fuchs.com
Signals for the world of automation
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2005\07\01@043053 by Herman Aalderink

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John,

(after doing a lot of reading I conclude)
There's too much focus on programmer hardware.

The 'cutting edge' is in the software.  (so you got some great
answers already)

There are MANY controller types and sizes now. It's impossible to
cover (study) all.
Try to make an educated guess on what you want to achieve (what
projects, what controllers).

Look if the (updated) software supports your chosen controllers.
If yes (quite likely), you have all you need. Put your money in
an old sock for that programmer that is still to be invented
(they are coming for sure!).

The most asked question is not about (obsolete) hardware but "Is
controller so-and-so supported?"
The cutting edge is in the software.

Herman in PHL.

John Nall wrote:

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2005\07\01@043236 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> I also tried a clone ICD2 before but it was not so good.

Which clone and in what aspects was it not so good?

> I like PICkit 1 the most for my 12F629 programming.

Did ypu try Microchip baseline programmer? It looks like an ICSP version
of the PICkit 1 (so without the target circuit).

Wouter van Ooijen

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2005\07\01@052424 by Chen Xiao Fan

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I have tried to build a simple ICD2 from http://stolz.de.be
(Is the web site still available?). It is the simplest ICD2
clone available and is relatively easily to build. Some time
ago another PIClister tried it and said it was not working.

I tried it and found some bugs with the circuit regarding
the MCLR connection. He is using a 1k resistor and a 5V1 zener.
That is wrong in my opinion. I used the 1k resistor and two
1N4448 diodes to connect pin 4 of DIN 9 connector to MCLR
and still put a 10k pull-up resistor to MCLR pin. I also added
some indicator LEDs. After the fix the ICD2 could communicate
with the PC quite reliably. Still I think the driving capability
of the transistors I used (BC846 and BC856) are not so
good so I still have problems to program the dsPIC chips
and the 18F2550. I can program the 8/14/18 pin PICs I have
though.  I may try to improve it a bit later.

Some of the Chinese websites offer ICD2 clones really cheap.
Here is one link (http://www.nbglin.com). Unassembled parts
(nice PCB with SMD parts) are selling at less than US$17
without the 16F877. Assembled units are selling at US$30.
The optional 9V supply is US$2 and the RS232 cable + 6-pin
debug cable is at less than US$3. Another site is selling
a fully assembled ICD2 (USB + RS232) at US$83. However
I am not in China and I do not know how are the clones.
The PCB looks quite okay though in both cases and they
are both using SMD parts.

I have not tried baseline programmer. I thought it was only
meant for the x12 baseline chips but I think it is actually
the same as PICkit 1 now. However PICkit 1 is  an ICSP
programmer as well. You just need to solder some wires from
J3. I have used it to program the 16F628A using ICSP.

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Xiaofan Chen
R&D Engineer, Photoelectric Sensor Development
Pepperl+Fuchs Singapore
http://www.pepperl-fuchs.com
Signals for the world of automation
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2005\07\01@082219 by John Nall

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On 7/1/05, Wouter van Ooijen <EraseMEwouterspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTvoti.nl> wrote:

> > maybe you
> should at least not throw the Wisp628 in the bin.
>
> If you have the money to spend I would suggest an ICD2 (or a cheaper
> clone).

Thanks to all for the helpful suggestions.  I will follow Wouter's
advice and (a) keep the Wisp628 and (b) get myself an ICD2.

John

2005\07\01@161204 by Charles Linquist

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Why not just get a Microchip ICD2.  It programs virtually everything
Microchip makes.
You can make or buy an adaptor for DIP parts.  If your board is designed
appropriately,
it works great as an in-circuit programmer, and you get a debugger to boot.
Because it works off USB, you can  use it with the new laptops that
don't have
serial ports.

Charles Linquist


Herman Aalderink wrote:

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