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2003\06\30@101628 by Jeremy Darling

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I didn't ask my question very well.  I was wondering if a programmer for the 628 would work on the 676 or if I was going to have to buy or build a different programmer.

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2003\06\30@102157 by hael Rigby-Jones

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> I didn't ask my question very well.  I was wondering if a programmer for
> the 628 would work on the 676 or if I was going to have to buy or build a
> different programmer.
>
The basic diy programmers are essentialy the same for all the flash type
PIC's, you are unlikely to need any new hardware (apart from a simple
adapter if your programmer does not have the correct socket).  It really
boils down to wether your programming software supports the 676 device.

Mike


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2003\06\30@102404 by Dale Botkin

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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Jeremy Darling wrote:

> I didn't ask my question very well.  I was wondering if a programmer
> for the 628 would work on the 676 or if I was going to have to buy or
> build a different programmer.

FYI:  It would be helpful if you'd turn on line wrap so your text wraps at
something less than 80 characters.  Thanks.

As for programmers, a programmer that dies 12F6xx should do most other
PICs as well, other than really old ones.  If the software supports them
you should be good to go.

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2003\06\30@102705 by Jeremy Darling

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I'm using JAL (just to get used to PIC's until I can learn more about the ASM calls) and it has libraries for both of these chips.  Soon as my kit gets in I just need to figure out how to upload a program to it :).  Thanks for your reply.

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2003\06\30@104128 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 09:23 AM 6/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Jeremy Darling wrote:
>
> > I didn't ask my question very well.  I was wondering if a programmer
> > for the 628 would work on the 676 or if I was going to have to buy or
> > build a different programmer.
>
>FYI:  It would be helpful if you'd turn on line wrap so your text wraps at
>something less than 80 characters.  Thanks.
>
>As for programmers, a programmer that dies 12F6xx should do most other
>PICs as well, other than really old ones.  If the software supports them
>you should be good to go.
>
>Dale

It should read and then write back some of the factory-programmed EEPROM
data, otherwise you'll lose calibration of the Bandgap and internal clock,
even if the rest of the chip programs properly. The last time I used a
Picstart+ it didn't seem to do this properly.

Best regards,

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2003\06\30@104130 by Wouter van Ooijen

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>> I was wondering if a programmer for
>> the 628 would work on the 676

>>> I'm using JAL (just to get used to PIC's until I can learn

Using Jal (or any other programming language) has nothing to do with the
question. A programmer that can handle a 16F84 can *hardwarewise* handle
all flash PICs (except that the correct PGM pin must be pulled low, and
maybe you have a problem with the PICs that need a Vcc-before-Vpp
sequence!), but the software must support the 16F676. If you use Wisp628
with it does support the 16F630/676.

Wouter van Ooijen

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2003\06\30@113549 by Herbert Graf

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> Using Jal (or any other programming language) has nothing to do with the
> question. A programmer that can handle a 16F84 can *hardwarewise* handle
> all flash PICs (except that the correct PGM pin must be pulled low, and
> maybe you have a problem with the PICs that need a Vcc-before-Vpp
> sequence!), but the software must support the 16F676. If you use Wisp628
> with it does support the 16F630/676.

       Might I add that you MAY also have to tie the LPV pin, on PICs that have
that feature (the 84 does not). TTYL

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2003\06\30@115557 by Tal

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Dale,

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> FYI:  It would be helpful if you'd turn on line wrap so your
> text wraps at something less than 80 characters.  Thanks.


A good email reader such as Microsoft Outlook should wrap received
messages.

Let me guess, you are using Pine on Linux.

;-)

Tal

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2003\06\30@120448 by Dale Botkin

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Tal <TakeThisOuTtalEraseMEspamspam_OUTZAPTA.COM> said:

> A good email reader such as Microsoft Outlook should wrap received
> messages.
>
> Let me guess, you are using Pine on Linux.

Usually, yes, and it wraps at the screen edge anyway so no big deal.  It
doesn't bother *ME*, but there are people on the list who tend to bitch and
whine about line wraps, so I figured I'd do a little pre-emptive suggestion to
try and avoid seeing the whole subject re-hashed *yet again*.

Dale
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2003\06\30@122825 by

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Even better would be to learn to use the ENTER key to give a
smooth and easy-to-read text. Wrapping at aprox 60 chars
is often fine.

A small price to pay while typing to make life easier
to everyone reading...

Jan-Erik.




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2003\06\30@122834 by Olin Lathrop

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> I didn't ask my question very well.  I was wondering if a programmer
> for the 628 would work on the 676 or if I was going to have to buy or
> build a different programmer.

By the way, PICs have names that start with "16F", "18F", etc.

Yes, the 12F629, 16F630, 12F675, and 16F676 are very similar and use the
same programming algorithm and pinout.  A programmer that can do one
should be able to do the others.


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2003\06\30@123902 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> > all flash PICs (except that the correct PGM pin must be
> pulled low,

>         Might I add that you MAY also have to tie the LPV
> pin, on PICs that have that feature (the 84 does not).

Of course you might add, but I already stated the same :)


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2003\06\30@124237 by Nick Veys

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Man, what is this, 1980? :)  Embrace the new technology of
line-wrapping!

> Even better would be to learn to use the ENTER key to give a
> smooth and easy-to-read text. Wrapping at aprox 60 chars is
> often fine.
>
> A small price to pay while typing to make life easier
> to everyone reading...
>
> Jan-Erik.

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2003\06\30@125305 by Andrew Warren

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Olin Lathrop <RemoveMEPICLISTspam_OUTspamKILLspammitvma.mit.edu> wrote:

> By the way, PICs have names that start with "16F", "18F", etc.

   You mean "PICmicros have ....", right?

   -Andy

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'[PIC]:PIC Programmer (Newbie)'
2003\07\01@014323 by Picdude
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On Monday 30 June 2003 10:36, Herbert Graf scribbled:
> > Using Jal (or any other programming language) has nothing to do with the
> > question. A programmer that can handle a 16F84 can *hardwarewise* handle
> > all flash PICs (except that the correct PGM pin must be pulled low, and
> > maybe you have a problem with the PICs that need a Vcc-before-Vpp
> > sequence!), but the software must support the 16F676. If you use Wisp628
> > with it does support the 16F630/676.
>
>         Might I add that you MAY also have to tie the LPV pin, on PICs that
> have that feature (the 84 does not). TTYL

I'll assume you meant "LVP", but isn't that just another name for the PGM pin?

Cheers,
-Neil.

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