Post by thread:[PIC]:No dsPIC interrest?

Hello, This list being a PIC list I some how expected it to be a good source for dsPIC information or at least have a lively dsPIC conversation going on. No such luck. So I wonder does the dsPIC mean any thing to you. Why don't you show any interest? Or am I missing some thing here? Would making a [dsPIC]: section help the discussion going? Regards Eelco Deutekom -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList spam_OUTpiclist-unsubscribe-requestTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu

Are they even shipping samples yet? I believe there's plenty of interest here; but until there's actual product; how much conversation can there be? {Original Message removed}

What is a dsPIC? Sounds like something cool, but I don't have any.... -----Original Message----- From: Eelco [.....e.deutekomKILLspam@spam@HCCNET.NL] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 11:24 AM To: PICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: [PIC]:No dsPIC interrest? Hello, This list being a PIC list I some how expected it to be a good source for dsPIC information or at least have a lively dsPIC conversation going on. No such luck. So I wonder does the dsPIC mean any thing to you. Why don't you show any interest? Or am I missing some thing here? Would making a [dsPIC]: section help the discussion going? Regards Eelco Deutekom -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList .....piclist-unsubscribe-requestKILLspam.....mitvma.mit.edu -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList EraseMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestspam_OUTTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu

I don't believe the reason you see few dsPIC discussion (there have been a few) is because most, pehaps none of us have actually got the parts in hand. Once they become widely available I am certain you will see much more traffic with regards to those parts. TTYL > {Original Message removed}

From what I have seen about the dsPIC at Mchip I think that the learning curve of the dsPIC will be a bit steeper than the curve of the PIC so preparing one self seems a logical thing to do. What good is it to have the part in hand and not know what it can do. Regards Eelco Deutekom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herbert Graf" <mailinglistspam_OUTFARCITE.NET> To: <@spam@PICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [PIC]:No dsPIC interrest? | I don't believe the reason you see few dsPIC discussion (there have been a | few) is because most, pehaps none of us have actually got the parts in hand. | Once they become widely available I am certain you will see much more | traffic with regards to those parts. TTYL | | | > {Original Message removed}

That's all very true, but at the same time most of us are too busy to research using a part that isn't available yet, what if something goes wrong and mchip has to delay the release? I personally find that I learn best when I actually have the part in hand and ready to be used. TTYL > {Original Message removed}

Eelco: Read thru the docs on the mChip site and then start a discussion here about and specific issues you find interesting/confusiong. I for one will be sure to chime in. I took several classes on the dsPIC at the Masters last summer and have a stack of documentation on it in a pile on the floor directly behind me as I type this. I don't want to get caught up in a 'what a wonderful chip this is when will we get it why isn't it out yet' kind of discussion. Bob Ammerman RAm Systems ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eelco" <KILLspame.deutekomKILLspamHCCNET.NL> To: <RemoveMEPICLISTTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [PIC]:No dsPIC interrest? > From what I have seen about the dsPIC at Mchip I think that the learning > curve of the dsPIC will be a bit steeper than the curve of the PIC so > preparing one self seems a logical thing to do. What good is it to have the {Quote hidden}> part in hand and not know what it can do. > > Regards > Eelco Deutekom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Herbert Graf" <spamBeGonemailinglistspamBeGoneFARCITE.NET> > To: <TakeThisOuTPICLISTEraseMEspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU> > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: [PIC]:No dsPIC interrest? > > > | I don't believe the reason you see few dsPIC discussion (there have been a > | few) is because most, pehaps none of us have actually got the parts in > hand. > | Once they become widely available I am certain you will see much more > | traffic with regards to those parts. TTYL > | > | > | > {Original Message removed}

At 08:23 PM 1/16/02 +0100, you wrote: >Hello, > >This list being a PIC list I some how expected it to be a good source for >dsPIC information or at least have a lively dsPIC conversation going on. No >such luck. So I wonder does the dsPIC mean any thing to you. Why don't you >show any interest? Or am I missing some thing here? Well, not every group hypes up an unseen, unproduced, untested, undemonstrated & unknown product with no firm release date. There is some info on the uC web site, that's all that is really publicly known. We can't really even plan a real project around them as a result, as proper planning implies proper understanding of the product, which implies having actually used and tested them for ourselves. It looks interesting, but it's not worth getting any hopes up until they are widely available. I've been in that situation where promised products are abandoned before release, have severe cutbacks made to just get them out the door, or simply don't live up to the promises and expectations made. Jeff -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList RemoveMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu

Hi Eelco, This is a place what you looking for! Let discuss about mp3 decoder can by made with dsPIC at 30MIPS? Miki Eelco wrote: {Quote hidden}> Hello, > > This list being a PIC list I some how expected it to be a good source for > dsPIC information or at least have a lively dsPIC conversation going on. No > such luck. So I wonder does the dsPIC mean any thing to you. Why don't you > show any interest? Or am I missing some thing here? Would making a [dsPIC]: > section help the discussion going? > > Regards > Eelco Deutekom > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList > piclist-unsubscribe-requestEraseME.....mitvma.mit.edu -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList EraseMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestmitvma.mit.edu

O.K. I get the point. Is mchip worse in this respect than let's say moto? Regards Eelco ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff DeMaagd" <RemoveMEjeffEraseMEEraseMEDEMAAGD.COM> To: <RemoveMEPICLISTspam_OUTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [PIC]:No dsPIC interrest? | At 08:23 PM 1/16/02 +0100, you wrote: | >Hello, | > | >This list being a PIC list I some how expected it to be a good source for | >dsPIC information or at least have a lively dsPIC conversation going on. No | >such luck. So I wonder does the dsPIC mean any thing to you. Why don't you | >show any interest? Or am I missing some thing here? | | Well, not every group hypes up an unseen, unproduced, untested, | undemonstrated & unknown product with no firm release date. There is some | info on the uC web site, that's all that is really publicly known. We | can't really even plan a real project around them as a result, as proper | planning implies proper understanding of the product, which implies having | actually used and tested them for ourselves. | | It looks interesting, but it's not worth getting any hopes up until they | are widely available. I've been in that situation where promised products | are abandoned before release, have severe cutbacks made to just get them | out the door, or simply don't live up to the promises and expectations made. | | Jeff | | -- | http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList | RemoveMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestTakeThisOuTspammitvma.mit.edu> | | -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList EraseMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestspamspamBeGonemitvma.mit.edu

Eelco wrote... >O.K. I get the point. Is mchip worse in this respect than let's say moto? I don't know about Motorola's recent performance, but back when I was working with MC68HC11's they were pretty above-board in their representations about products in development. I've grown very irritated at Microchip's tendency to "announce" products that are, in fact, many MANY months away from sampling or release. I've been keen to get my hands on their PIC18Fxxx parts now for a long, long time and I'm growing impatient. Just my opinion... Dave -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList RemoveMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestKILLspammitvma.mit.edu

Maybe what Microchip should do is make sure the thing is going to work properly right from the start, and that the datasheets etc are well written and have the good stuff, not just the rough outlines. I personally like the earlier Microchip datasheets, I like the charts of oscillator timing and port voltages, and the diagrams of timer overflow T0IF latency etc etc. I second Herbert's comment below that i'm way too busy to look ahead on the dsp chips or others, but the moment it's available i'll check it out and see what it can do, and if it's chosen for that job then what I'd really like is to get it working quickly with minimum hassle. So good datasheets with good explanations, and maybe some more data. The things don't have to be printed, lash out and add those extra few pages, we can afford the bytes. :o) -Roman Herbert Graf wrote: > > That's all very true, but at the same time most of us are too busy to > research using a part that isn't available yet, what if something goes wrong > and mchip has to delay the release? I personally find that I learn best when > I actually have the part in hand and ready to be used. TTYL > > > {Original Message removed}

I believe there would be more discussions if developers got a chance to start learning about the dsPIC by using the MPLAB simulator. If you look at the available documents and never used DSP before you probably would not know what to discuss. You would probably be able to learn better with a simulator where you can test code and se what happens when you do this and that. DsPIC is what I have heard aimed to be used with a C-compiler. Easy to use with lots of libraries. I would not make an actual project in assembler with the dsPIC. But I would like to do testing with assembler to learn the core. I guess that there is much more than the dsPIC chip to be in place before we will see extensive discussion on the subject. I heard from a colleague who attended to Microchip Masters that they had done some testing with a new early beta version of MPLAB6 32bit. The first thing I want is a Beta version on MPLAB 6 so I can start to learn more about the dsPIC. The question is only when Microchip is ready to release beta of MPLAB6???? The first version does not need to support any of the old PICmicro just something to learn about the dsPIC. I guess Microchip want to release the new MPLAB as bugfree as possible but I could accept a buggy MPLAB pre beta version just to be able to understand the available dsPIC manuals. You do not learn programming by reading books you need to make programs to learn. I have looked at the available documents and it looks like a darn good device but that is about as much as I have done. If I'm honest the dsPIC is more than I have needed before, but it starts making me dream of stuff that now/soon is possible. Maybe we can have a discussion of what the dsPIC can be used for? I saw a post from someone that wondered if a dsPIC could be used for MP3 decoding and without any experience in MP3 decoders I would answer yes. Any comments? Niklas -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: pic microcontroller discussion list [PICLISTSTOPspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU] För Bob Ammerman Skickat: den 17 januari 2002 01:36 Till: spamBeGonePICLISTSTOPspamEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU Ämne: Re: [PIC]:No dsPIC interrest? Eelco: Read thru the docs on the mChip site and then start a discussion here about and specific issues you find interesting/confusiong. I for one will be sure to chime in. I took several classes on the dsPIC at the Masters last summer and have a stack of documentation on it in a pile on the floor directly behind me as I type this. I don't want to get caught up in a 'what a wonderful chip this is when will we get it why isn't it out yet' kind of discussion. Bob Ammerman RAm Systems ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eelco" <KILLspame.deutekomspamBeGoneHCCNET.NL> To: <EraseMEPICLISTEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [PIC]:No dsPIC interrest? > From what I have seen about the dsPIC at Mchip I think that the learning > curve of the dsPIC will be a bit steeper than the curve of the PIC so > preparing one self seems a logical thing to do. What good is it to have the {Quote hidden}> part in hand and not know what it can do. > > Regards > Eelco Deutekom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Herbert Graf" <@spam@mailinglist@spam@spam_OUTFARCITE.NET> > To: <spamBeGonePICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU> > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: [PIC]:No dsPIC interrest? > > > | I don't believe the reason you see few dsPIC discussion (there have been a > | few) is because most, pehaps none of us have actually got the parts in > hand. > | Once they become widely available I am certain you will see much more > | traffic with regards to those parts. TTYL > | > | > | > {Original Message removed}

Hi Niklas! Very decent your post. At http://www.dspguide.com you can find a free book on dsp, so it is a very good place to start. As for C or Matlab, I prefer Scilab (V2.6) from Inria (http://www-rocq.inria.fr/scilab). I intend to simulate the algorithm in Scilab( in s-plane) and then I`ll code in assembler. As for programmer and emulator, ICD2 could be a cheaper and better tool. As regarding the mp3 decoder, I think it can be done with dsPIC, but I wonder - is it possible to design mp3 coder as well? Or a DVD decoder? Or a DIVx-decoder? Or a speech recognized module? Or something like a Bluetooth module link? Or a PID? By march, we have a month and a half to find out what we can do with dsPICs. I think we`ll have a lot of themes to discuss here. Regards, Miki Niklas Wennerstrand wrote: {Quote hidden}> I believe there would be more discussions if developers got a chance to > start learning about the dsPIC by using the MPLAB simulator. If you look at > the available documents and never used DSP before you probably would not > know what to discuss. You would probably be able to learn better with a > simulator where you can test code and se what happens when you do this and > that. > DsPIC is what I have heard aimed to be used with a C-compiler. Easy to use > with lots of libraries. > I would not make an actual project in assembler with the dsPIC. But I would > like to do testing with assembler to learn the core. > I guess that there is much more than the dsPIC chip to be in place before we > will see extensive discussion on the subject. > I heard from a colleague who attended to Microchip Masters that they had > done some testing with a new early beta version of MPLAB6 32bit. > The first thing I want is a Beta version on MPLAB 6 so I can start to learn > more about the dsPIC. > The question is only when Microchip is ready to release beta of MPLAB6???? > The first version does not need to support any of the old PICmicro just > something to learn about the dsPIC. > I guess Microchip want to release the new MPLAB as bugfree as possible but I > could accept a buggy MPLAB pre beta version just to be able to understand > the available dsPIC manuals. > You do not learn programming by reading books you need to make programs to > learn. > I have looked at the available documents and it looks like a darn good > device but that is about as much as I have done. > If I'm honest the dsPIC is more than I have needed before, but it starts > making me dream of stuff that now/soon is possible. > Maybe we can have a discussion of what the dsPIC can be used for? > I saw a post from someone that wondered if a dsPIC could be used for MP3 > decoding and without any experience in MP3 decoders I would answer yes. Any > comments? > > Niklas > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: pic microcontroller discussion list [.....PICLISTspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU] > För Bob Ammerman > Skickat: den 17 januari 2002 01:36 > Till: TakeThisOuTPICLIST.....TakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU > Ämne: Re: [PIC]:No dsPIC interrest? > > Eelco: > > Read throught the docs on the mChip site and then start a discussion here > about > and specific issues you find interesting/confusiong. I for one will be sure > to chime in. > > I took several classes on the dsPIC at the Masters last summer and have a > stack of documentation on it in a pile on the floor directly behind me as I > type this. > > I don't want to get caught up in a 'what a wonderful chip this is when will > we get it why isn't it out yet' kind of discussion. > > Bob Ammerman > RAm Systems > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eelco" <TakeThisOuTe.deutekomKILLspamspamHCCNET.NL> > To: <.....PICLISTRemoveMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU> > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 1:17 PM > Subject: Re: [PIC]:No dsPIC interrest? > > > From what I have seen about the dsPIC at Mchip I think that the learning > > curve of the dsPIC will be a bit steeper than the curve of the PIC so > > preparing one self seems a logical thing to do. What good is it to have > the > > part in hand and not know what it can do. > > > > Regards > > Eelco Deutekom > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Herbert Graf" <RemoveMEmailinglistspamBeGoneFARCITE.NET> > > To: <spamBeGonePICLIST@spam@spam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 9:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [PIC]:No dsPIC interrest? > > > > > > | I don't believe the reason you see few dsPIC discussion (there have been > a > > | few) is because most, pehaps none of us have actually got the parts in > > hand. > > | Once they become widely available I am certain you will see much more > > | traffic with regards to those parts. TTYL > > | > > | > > | > {Original Message removed}