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'[PIC]:No dsPIC interrest?'
2002\01\16@142649 by Eelco

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Hello,

This list being a PIC list I some how expected it to be a good source for
dsPIC information or at least have a lively dsPIC conversation going on. No
such luck. So I wonder does the dsPIC mean any thing to you. Why don't you
show any interest? Or am I missing some thing here? Would making a [dsPIC]:
section help the discussion going?

Regards
Eelco Deutekom

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2002\01\16@143916 by Dal Wheeler

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Are they even shipping samples yet?  I believe there's plenty of interest
here; but until there's actual product; how much conversation can there be?

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2002\01\16@144201 by WEBB,TIM (A-Sonoma,ex1)

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What is a dsPIC?

Sounds like something cool, but I don't have any....




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Hello,

This list being a PIC list I some how expected it to be a good source for
dsPIC information or at least have a lively dsPIC conversation going on. No
such luck. So I wonder does the dsPIC mean any thing to you. Why don't you
show any interest? Or am I missing some thing here? Would making a [dsPIC]:
section help the discussion going?

Regards
Eelco Deutekom

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2002\01\16@151230 by Herbert Graf

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I don't believe the reason you see few dsPIC discussion (there have been a
few) is because most, pehaps none of us have actually got the parts in hand.
Once they become widely available I am certain you will see much more
traffic with regards to those parts. TTYL


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2002\01\16@161925 by Eelco

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From what I have seen about the dsPIC at Mchip I think that the learning
curve of the dsPIC will be a bit steeper than the curve of the PIC so
preparing one self seems a logical thing to do. What good is it to have the
part in hand and not know what it can do.

Regards
Eelco Deutekom

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| I don't believe the reason you see few dsPIC discussion (there have been a
| few) is because most, pehaps none of us have actually got the parts in
hand.
| Once they become widely available I am certain you will see much more
| traffic with regards to those parts. TTYL
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2002\01\16@163437 by Herbert Graf

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That's all very true, but at the same time most of us are too busy to
research using a part that isn't available yet, what if something goes wrong
and mchip has to delay the release? I personally find that I learn best when
I actually have the part in hand and ready to be used. TTYL

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2002\01\16@163725 by Bob Ammerman

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Eelco:

Read thru the docs on the mChip site and then start a discussion here about
and specific issues you find interesting/confusiong. I for one will be sure
to chime in.

I took several classes on the dsPIC at the Masters last summer and have a
stack of documentation on it in a pile on the floor directly behind me as I
type this.

I don't want to get caught up in a 'what a wonderful chip this is when will
we get it why isn't it out yet' kind of discussion.

Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems

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> From what I have seen about the dsPIC at Mchip I think that the learning
> curve of the dsPIC will be a bit steeper than the curve of the PIC so
> preparing one self seems a logical thing to do. What good is it to have
the
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2002\01\16@164146 by Jeff DeMaagd

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At 08:23 PM 1/16/02 +0100, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>This list being a PIC list I some how expected it to be a good source for
>dsPIC information or at least have a lively dsPIC conversation going on. No
>such luck. So I wonder does the dsPIC mean any thing to you. Why don't you
>show any interest? Or am I missing some thing here?

Well, not every group hypes up an unseen, unproduced, untested,
undemonstrated & unknown product with no firm release date.  There is some
info on the uC web site, that's all that is really publicly known.  We
can't really even plan a real project around them as a result, as proper
planning implies proper understanding of the product, which implies having
actually used and tested them for ourselves.

It looks interesting, but it's not worth getting any hopes up until they
are widely available.  I've been in that situation where promised products
are abandoned before release, have severe cutbacks made to just get them
out the door, or simply don't live up to the promises and expectations made.

Jeff

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2002\01\16@171252 by Michael Noel

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Hi Eelco,

This is a place what you looking for!
Let discuss about mp3 decoder can by made with dsPIC at 30MIPS?

Miki




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2002\01\16@182902 by Eelco

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O.K. I get the point. Is mchip worse in this respect than let's say moto?

Regards
Eelco

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| At 08:23 PM 1/16/02 +0100, you wrote:
| >Hello,
| >
| >This list being a PIC list I some how expected it to be a good source for
| >dsPIC information or at least have a lively dsPIC conversation going on.
No
| >such luck. So I wonder does the dsPIC mean any thing to you. Why don't
you
| >show any interest? Or am I missing some thing here?
|
| Well, not every group hypes up an unseen, unproduced, untested,
| undemonstrated & unknown product with no firm release date.  There is some
| info on the uC web site, that's all that is really publicly known.  We
| can't really even plan a real project around them as a result, as proper
| planning implies proper understanding of the product, which implies having
| actually used and tested them for ourselves.
|
| It looks interesting, but it's not worth getting any hopes up until they
| are widely available.  I've been in that situation where promised products
| are abandoned before release, have severe cutbacks made to just get them
| out the door, or simply don't live up to the promises and expectations
made.
|
| Jeff
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2002\01\16@192635 by Dave Dilatush

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Eelco wrote...

>O.K. I get the point. Is mchip worse in this respect than let's say moto?

I don't know about Motorola's recent performance, but back when I was
working with MC68HC11's they were pretty above-board in their
representations about products in development.

I've grown very irritated at Microchip's tendency to "announce" products
that are, in fact, many MANY months away from sampling or release.  I've
been keen to get my hands on their PIC18Fxxx parts now for a long, long
time and I'm growing impatient.

Just my opinion...

Dave

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2002\01\17@103517 by Roman Black

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Maybe what Microchip should do is make sure
the thing is going to work properly right from
the start, and that the datasheets etc are well
written and have the good stuff, not just the
rough outlines. I personally like the earlier
Microchip datasheets, I like the charts of
oscillator timing and port voltages, and the
diagrams of timer overflow T0IF latency etc etc.

I second Herbert's comment below that i'm way
too busy to look ahead on the dsp chips or others,
but the moment it's available i'll check it out
and see what it can do, and if it's chosen for that
job then what I'd really like is to get it working
quickly with minimum hassle. So good datasheets
with good explanations, and maybe some more data.
The things don't have to be printed, lash out and
add those extra few pages, we can afford the bytes.
:o)
-Roman

Herbert Graf wrote:
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> That's all very true, but at the same time most of us are too busy to
> research using a part that isn't available yet, what if something goes wrong
> and mchip has to delay the release? I personally find that I learn best when
> I actually have the part in hand and ready to be used. TTYL
>
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2002\01\17@130926 by iklas Wennerstrand

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I believe there would be more discussions if developers got a chance to
start learning about the dsPIC by using the MPLAB simulator. If you look at
the available documents and never used DSP before you probably would not
know what to discuss. You would probably be able to learn better with a
simulator where you can test code and se what happens when you do this and
that.
DsPIC is what I have heard aimed to be used with a C-compiler. Easy to use
with lots of libraries.
I would not make an actual project in assembler with the dsPIC. But I would
like to do testing with assembler to learn the core.
I guess that there is much more than the dsPIC chip to be in place before we
will see extensive discussion on the subject.
I heard from a colleague who attended to Microchip Masters that they had
done some testing with a new early beta version of MPLAB6 32bit.
The first thing I want is a Beta version on MPLAB 6 so I can start to learn
more about the dsPIC.
The question is only when Microchip is ready to release beta of MPLAB6????
The first version does not need to support any of the old PICmicro just
something to learn about the dsPIC.
I guess Microchip want to release the new MPLAB as bugfree as possible but I
could accept a buggy MPLAB pre beta version just to be able to understand
the available dsPIC manuals.
You do not learn programming by reading books you need to make programs to
learn.
I have looked at the available documents and it looks like a darn good
device but that is about as much as I have done.
If I'm honest the dsPIC is more than I have needed before, but it starts
making me dream of stuff that now/soon is possible.
Maybe we can have a discussion of what the dsPIC can be used for?
I saw a post from someone that wondered if a dsPIC could be used for MP3
decoding and without any experience in MP3 decoders I would answer yes. Any
comments?

Niklas


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Eelco:

Read thru the docs on the mChip site and then start a discussion here about
and specific issues you find interesting/confusiong. I for one will be sure
to chime in.

I took several classes on the dsPIC at the Masters last summer and have a
stack of documentation on it in a pile on the floor directly behind me as I
type this.

I don't want to get caught up in a 'what a wonderful chip this is when will
we get it why isn't it out yet' kind of discussion.

Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems

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> From what I have seen about the dsPIC at Mchip I think that the learning
> curve of the dsPIC will be a bit steeper than the curve of the PIC so
> preparing one self seems a logical thing to do. What good is it to have
the
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2002\01\17@160955 by Michael Noel

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Hi Niklas!

Very decent your post.
At http://www.dspguide.com you can find a free book on dsp, so it is a very good place
to start.
As for C or Matlab, I prefer Scilab (V2.6) from Inria
(http://www-rocq.inria.fr/scilab).
I intend to simulate the algorithm in Scilab( in s-plane) and then I`ll code in
assembler.
As for programmer and emulator, ICD2 could be a cheaper and better tool.
As regarding the mp3 decoder, I think it can be done with dsPIC, but I wonder -
is it possible to design mp3 coder as well? Or a DVD decoder? Or a DIVx-decoder?
Or a speech recognized module?
Or something  like a Bluetooth module link? Or a PID?
By march, we have a month and a half to find out what we can do with dsPICs.
I think we`ll have a lot of themes to discuss here.

Regards,
Miki



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