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'[PIC]:Ideas for using PIC with 1 Gig Microdrive?'
2001\03\06@134820 by Ellen Spertus

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I am teaching an electronics class in which we are building robots.  I have
been programming computers for ~25 years but am new to
microcontrollers.  My department has been offered some 1 GB IBM Microdrives
for free if we can think of interesting projects.  (Microdrives are tiny
hard disk drives with a Compact Flash II interface.)  've found information
on interfacing PIC with CFII so know it can be done.  Any ideas of what to
do with a PIC and a gig of slow but non-volatile memory?

Ellen Spertus
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2001\03\06@140051 by Dipperstein, Michael

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ellen Spertus [spertusspamKILLspammills.edu]
> Subject: [PIC]:Ideas for using PIC with 1 Gig Microdrive?

> Any ideas of what to
> do with a PIC and a gig of slow but non-volatile memory?

Data loggers are always popular.  Anything that can be monitored can have the
results logged in the microdrive.

-Mike

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2001\03\06@140058 by James Paul

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Ellen,

I am working on a project right now that will result in web access
for the project.  I could use a drive of this size and form factor.
Would you be willing to let one go to me, and in return, I'll help
you with the interfacing tasks?   Please advise.

                                        Regards,

                                          Jim



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2001\03\06@140916 by severson

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How about this strange idea:

You have a robot with a 1 gig drive and a ccd camera. Map the surface of an
entire parking lot or basketball court. Data log the images to the drive.
Weave the collected image into one giant bit-map. Why? Well, there is a
really cool reason to do this. What it is, I don't know. ;-)  It is a lot
like a satellite taking images of the earth and making one big picture from
them. Get a cooperative team of interacting robots working as a collective.

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2001\03\06@144751 by Steve Bergerson

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Ellen:

Internet appliances come to mind that you could plug into your TV and the
phone lines.

How about a Pic based personal computer or MC68HCxx type for that matter.
Something like a keyboard and a gig flash drive and a connection to a TV.
You could write the OS for the thing and put it into flash.  The PC could
have a printer port. serial port, modem and cost less than $50.

If you have been around for 25 years then you remember the Kim1 or the
Cosmac or some of the old computers that are now museum peices.  You could
build a Kim 1 type but with 1 gig of storage space.
See:

http://www.6502.org/oldmicro/buildkim/buildkim.htm

That would be pretty cool.

Other ideas are using these as removable hard drives...  With a USB port.
or parellel port.

Mp3 players, PDA's ........



From Steve
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2001\03\06@155122 by George Chatzigeorgiou

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MP3?

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Subject: [PIC]:Ideas for using PIC with 1 Gig Microdrive?


> I am teaching an electronics class in which we are building robots.  I
have
> been programming computers for ~25 years but am new to
> microcontrollers.  My department has been offered some 1 GB IBM
Microdrives
> for free if we can think of interesting projects.  (Microdrives are tiny
> hard disk drives with a Compact Flash II interface.)  've found
information
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2001\03\06@173156 by Bill Westfield

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Record "generate" sensor data on the hard drive (at n samples/second for
whatever sensors are typical on your robot), and design a circuit that
replaces the sensor inputs on the robots with the hard drive.  This way
you can check for "appropriate" robot behavior using "constant" sensor
data, rather than having to factor in real world variability.

BillW

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2001\03\06@183702 by Olin Lathrop

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> You have a robot with a 1 gig drive and a ccd camera. Map the surface of
an
> entire parking lot or basketball court. Data log the images to the drive.
> Weave the collected image into one giant bit-map. Why? Well, there is a
> really cool reason to do this. What it is, I don't know. ;-)  It is a lot
> like a satellite taking images of the earth and making one big picture
from
> them. Get a cooperative team of interacting robots working as a
collective.

This gave me another idea.  Capture an image once a second or so from a
small CCD camera.  Attach the whole unit to some animal and see where it
goes and what it does.  Sorta like a cheap "critter cam".

Or put the same unit in a suitcase with a peephole to make a "baggage cam".
Ever wonder what the gorillas at the airport due to your stuff after it
dissappears thru the little door?


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2001\03\06@183717 by Olin Lathrop

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> I am teaching an electronics class in which we are building robots.  I
have
> been programming computers for ~25 years but am new to
> microcontrollers.  My department has been offered some 1 GB IBM
Microdrives
> for free if we can think of interesting projects.  (Microdrives are tiny
> hard disk drives with a Compact Flash II interface.)  've found
information
> on interfacing PIC with CFII so know it can be done.  Any ideas of what to
> do with a PIC and a gig of slow but non-volatile memory?

- A portable "tape" recorder that takes analog in but can dump digital to a
PC later.

- Interface to a digital camera so that it can store hundreds of high res at
max quality pictures.


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2001\03\07@024230 by Roman Black

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Ellen Spertus wrote:
>
> I am teaching an electronics class in which we are building robots.  I have
> been programming computers for ~25 years but am new to
> microcontrollers.  My department has been offered some 1 GB IBM Microdrives
> for free if we can think of interesting projects.  (Microdrives are tiny
> hard disk drives with a Compact Flash II interface.)  've found information
> on interfacing PIC with CFII so know it can be done.  Any ideas of what to
> do with a PIC and a gig of slow but non-volatile memory?
>
> Ellen Spertus


Dataloggers for alternative energy monitoring.
Good growth market with govt grants and tax
assistance.:o)
-Roman

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2001\03\07@081918 by Andy N1YEW

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> How about this strange idea:
>
> You have a robot with a 1 gig drive and a ccd camera. Map the surface of
an
> entire parking lot or basketball court. Data log the images to the drive.
> Weave the collected image into one giant bit-map. Why? Well, there is a
> really cool reason to do this. What it is, I don't know. ;-)  It is a lot
> like a satellite taking images of the earth and making one big picture
from
> them. Get a cooperative team of interacting robots working as a
collective.


You also need a gps... so they are in order.....

andy n1yew

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2001\03\07@110130 by Matt Burch

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At 06:24 PM 03/06/2001 -0500, Olin Lathrop wrote:

>- Interface to a digital camera so that it can store hundreds of high res at
>max quality pictures.

Actually you could just put the Microdrive directly into your Compact
Flash-ready digital camera, since that's what it's designed to do.  :)

mcb

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2001\03\07@170606 by Peter L. Peres

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Idea: Store the entire map of the building in it (you will need the space
as you can't really compress everything - it will have to be some sort of
bit field and vector set to be usable in realtime by the PIC), and have
the robots amaze people by going places where they are told to go. This
should occupy the first 10MB of the 1Gig imho.

Peter

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2001\03\07@190336 by Peter L. Peres

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Idea2: Incredibly long duration tape recorder (using only RLL
compression). At 8k the 1G drive will be enormous. Add a LCD and a few
keys and you have a super-boss tape with instant message access. By using
a common file format you can play the messages on a laptop with CF/PCMCIA
adapter. The 1G drive will hold over 34 continuous hours of speech
(uncompressed - it can easily double using RLL and I don't want to know
how much speech it can store if using a specialized speech compression
algorythm - probably ten times as much). The suggested file format is Sun
.au (linear).

Peter

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