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2012\01\13@115446 by jim

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All,

I have looked and I can't seem to find a firmware update for the
Pickit2 that allows it to work with the  10F322 for the Mouser contest.  Does anyone know if the Pickit2 works
with (or will it ever) the PIC10F322?

I have hesitated to get a Pickit3, but if that is what it takes, I may
have to.

 Regards,

Jim

2012\01\13@144517 by Dwayne Reid

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At 09:54 AM 1/13/2012, spam_OUTjimTakeThisOuTspamjpes.com wrote:

>  I have looked and I can't seem to find a firmware update for the
>Pickit2 that allows it to work with the
>  10F322 for the Mouser contest.  Does anyone know if the Pickit2 works
>with (or will it ever) the PIC10F322?

I would open a support ticket with Microchip and ask them.

I did so myself earlier this week to ask about ICD / PICkit debug support for the 10f322 - Microchip tech support tells me that the header board adapters will be available sometime in March.  I'm hoping to get a couple of early samples before then, else the project that I have in mind for the '322 will have to go to a different part.

My guess would be that 10f322 support in the dev tools will happen about the same time that the header board adapters are available (but I surely could be wrong <grin>).

dwayne

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2012\01\13@152829 by jim

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Thanks Dwayne,

I'll do that.

Regards,

Jim

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2012\01\13@174345 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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Hi.

If you download the latest device file for the PICkit2
stand-alone application (that is, not integrated with MPLAB)
you see that both 10F320 and 10F322 are listed in the file.

So I'd bet that these devices are supported by the PICkit2
if you use the stand-alone PICkit2 application.

http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1406&dDocName=en027813

http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/PK2DFUpdate-1-62-14.zip

http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/PICkit%202%20v2.61.00%20Setup%20A.zip



Jan-Erik.



@spam@jimKILLspamspamjpes.com wrote 2012-01-13 17:54:
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2012\01\13@175911 by jim

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I have done all of this already, but I don't see the 320 or 322 listed
anywhere.
I se the 220 and 222, but not the ones mentioned above.

Where exactly on the page did you see the 320 and 322 listed?  I'm
curious.

Regards,

Jim

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2012\01\13@181745 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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Did you check my links ?

I first opened the "Device File 1.62.14".
It's a binary file, but with a hex capable editor
I could find the 320 and 322 devices.

Then I checked the
"Current PICkit 2 Device Support (November 2011)" page
and under the heading "In addition to the devices above, the
PICkit2 Programmer Application v2.61 provides programming support
for the following devices with the latest device file:"

I found the PIC10F320, 322 devices.


Jan-Erik.



KILLspamjimKILLspamspamjpes.com wrote 2012-01-13 23:59:
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2012\01\13@183008 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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RemoveMEjimTakeThisOuTspamjpes.com wrote 2012-01-13 23:59:
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>   I have done all of this already, but I don't see the 320 or 322 listed
> anywhere.
>   I se the 220 and 222, but not the ones mentioned above.

Note also that the 10F2xx parts are listed in the first part
of the page, the part that lists parts supported from within MPLAB.

The 10F3xx parts are further down in the list where the additional
parts supported from the stand-alone application are listed.

Jan-Erik.

2012\01\13@212233 by Dwayne Reid

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At 01:28 PM 1/13/2012, spamBeGonejimspamBeGonespamjpes.com wrote:
> > From: Dwayne Reid <TakeThisOuTdwaynerEraseMEspamspam_OUTplanet.eon.net>
> >
> > I would open a support ticket with Microchip and ask them.
> >
> > I did so myself earlier this week to ask about ICD / PICkit debug
> > support for the 10f322 - Microchip tech support tells me that the
> > header board adapters will be available sometime in March.  I'm
> > hoping to get a couple of early samples before then, else the project
> > that I have in mind for the '322 will have to go to a different part.

I wanted to let you know that Microchip tech support got back to me today - they are sending me an engineering sample of the 10f322 header board adapter for ICD / PICkit.  Yay!

Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that Microchip tech support has become MUCH more responsive in the past few months?  It was sometimes taking 2 weeks or more before anyone would acknowledge that I had a problem, let alone help me find a resolution.  Now I'm getting a response within the day.

I don't bug Microchip's tech support very often but when I do, its usually because I simply don't have any other option and I really need help NOW.

I hope this change for the better is permanent!

dwayne

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2012\01\13@225815 by IVP

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> Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that Microchip tech
> support has become MUCH more responsive in the past few
> months?

I really wasn't happy with the lame and unhelpful service I got
with two genuine problems late last year and each time sent a
snail mail letter (not email) to corporate headquarters, outlining
in no uncertain terms where staff had fallen well short. Maybe
attention like that, from me and no doubt others, has made a
difference. I'd like to think so and would be disappointed if it
hadn't

Jo

2012\01\16@050031 by alan.b.pearce

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> > Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that Microchip tech support
> > has become MUCH more responsive in the past few months?
>
> I really wasn't happy with the lame and unhelpful service I got with two genuine
> problems late last year and each time sent a snail mail letter (not email) to
> corporate headquarters, outlining in no uncertain terms where staff had fallen well
> short. Maybe attention like that, from me and no doubt others, has made a
> difference. I'd like to think so and would be disappointed if it hadn't

There has also been a certain amount of bitching about TS response times on the microchip forum, with a lot of people turning to the forum for help after no response from technical support, which may have also helped.
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2012\01\18@004931 by YES NOPE9

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Am I correct that hardware-wise the PIC development board for $3.75 should be able to program another copy of itself ?
      www.microchip.com/forums/m625916-print.aspx
What is required is software to bit bang emulate a serial port and to send programming signals to a second board.
RA0 and RA1 can be the serial port.
RA2 and RA3 can drive the programming for the second module.

Is this correct ?
99guspuppet

2012\01\18@032351 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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You also need hardware to generate/drive Vpp.
And the question is of the 10F's has enough memory
for the full logic of a "programmer".

YES NOPE9 wrote 2012-01-18 06:49:
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> Am I correct that hardware-wise the PIC development board for $3.75 should be able to program another copy of itself ?
>         www.microchip.com/forums/m625916-print.aspx
> What is required is software to bit bang emulate a serial port and to send programming signals to a second board.
> RA0 and RA1 can be the serial port.
> RA2 and RA3 can drive the programming for the second module.
>
> Is this correct ?
> 99guspuppet
>

2012\01\18@041220 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> Am I correct that hardware-wise the PIC development board for $3.75 should be able to program another copy of itself ?

No. Where did you get that idea?

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2012\01\18@063301 by David Meiklejohn

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RA3 is input-only, so no go.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: piclist-bouncesEraseMEspam.....MIT.EDU [EraseMEpiclist-bouncesspamMIT.EDU] On
> Behalf Of YES NOPE9
> Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2012 4:49 PM
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> Subject: [PIC]:10F322 and Pickit2
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>
> Am I correct that hardware-wise the PIC development board for $3.75
> should be able to program another copy of itself ?
>        www.microchip.com/forums/m625916-print.aspx
> What is required is software to bit bang emulate a serial port and to
> send programming signals to a second board.
> RA0 and RA1 can be the serial port.
> RA2 and RA3 can drive the programming for the second module.
>
> Is this correct ?
> 99guspuppet
>
>
>

2012\01\20@153416 by YES NOPE9

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I thought Vpp could be operated at "normal" voltage levels.
Perhaps the 10F322 does not have enough memory.
It appears that only two digital pins are required ... so perhaps
RA0-Out and RA3-In can be the serial port.
RA1-IO and RA2-IO can drive the programming for the second module.
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2012\01\20@160703 by Matt Bennett

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On Fri, January 20, 2012 2:34 pm, YES NOPE9 wrote:
> I thought Vpp could be operated at "normal" voltage levels.
> Perhaps the 10F322 does not have enough memory.
> It appears that only two digital pins are required ... so perhaps
> RA0-Out and RA3-In can be the serial port.
> RA1-IO and RA2-IO can drive the programming for the second module.

For programming you actually need 3 I/Os- MCLR/VPP, PGC (clock), PGD
(data). The MCLR/VPP gets you into programming mode, but the data is sent
over the PGC/PGD pair. You don't necessarily need a high voltage to
program the 10F322, but MCLR/VPP still needs to be controlled to get it
into the right mode.

All the gory details are here:
http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/80529A.pdf

Regards,

Matt

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