>
> Hi people, time for a <rant>
>
> Has anyone else gone looking for a PIC at the
> new Microchip.com site and been really miffed
> by the way they have changed it??
>
> It used to have each "family" page with the PICs
> listed down the page, and each PIC had a little
> box showing rom size, number of pins, timers, etc
> etc. So you could scroll up and down the page and
> compare the PICs to see which one had enough pins
> and enough memory...
>
> Their "new improved" web page is a disaster!
> Each family page just has a list of the PIC numbers
> with no info!!! You have to click on each one,
> wait for the page to load, before you can even see
> what memory size that PIC has!! What moron web
> designer at Microchip could possibly think that
> was a step forward??? You're sacked buddy!
>
> For people with slow modems on the other side of the
> planet (like poor little me) this was a really uncool
> change to an already poor web site.
>
> Haven't those retarded web site programmers at
> Microchip ever been to a GOOD web site like Texas
> Instruments, National semiconductor, or... heck,
> just about anybody??
>
> TI get my vote. I was there looking for a DAC the
> other day, they have a couple of hundred listed on
> the SAME PAGE (listening Microchip?), so I could
> just scroll up or down and see the 8-bit, 10-bit
> ones. It's in a column. If it is single DAC, or dual,
> etc. If it serial or parallel. By just scrolling up
> and down the page there was ALL the info I needed
> to choose a product.
>
> And it loaded real quick, pages of text do that.
> And WOW! Just by clicking one button I could SAVE
> the data for EVERY CHIP to my hard drive to see
> anytime! And again, by pressing one button I can
> print all this data to paper that I can highlight
> products and write notes on. Modern technology,
> isn't it wonderful.
>
> OK, maybe Microchip do provide a "search" facility,
> (but it's not working at the moment). Anyway, why
> should I have to enter data and wait for it to go
> and find what I want?? How do I print the whole
> product list from that to view later?? Who said
> a java solution was supposed to be better??
>
> What a joke Microchip web designers. Get your
> act together! Visit some good sites and take
> notes. And ADD PRICES! See the NS home page...
> Even a ballpark price is really handy when
> choosing a chip for the next project.
>
> I am real annoyed at having to click on EVERY
> SINGLE PIC (and then wait) just to see how much
> memory or pins it has!!!
> </rant>
>
> As a positive input, why not just have all PICs
> listed on one page (there are not that many!)
> and colour code each column.
> Like the "pins" column could be red for 18 pin
> devices and blue for 28 pin devices etc.
> You could colour code the device name for flash,
> eprom,otp, etc. You could colour code the rom
> column for 1k, 2k, 4k, etc. And show prices.
>
> This would give a quick loading, saveable, printable,
> one-page lookup table. You could scroll up or
> down and instantly find all the 18pin, 2k devices.
> The peripherals and pricing etc, columns allow you to
> quickly choose between types and consider different
> design options based on having ALL the information
> in front of you at once. The absolute greatest
> functionality...
> Ahhhh. Dreaming again. :o)
> -Roman
>
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> Hi people, time for a <rant>
>
> Has anyone else gone looking for a PIC at the
> new Microchip.com site and been really miffed
> by the way they have changed it??
>
> It used to have each "family" page with the PICs
> listed down the page, and each PIC had a little
> box showing rom size, number of pins, timers, etc
> etc. So you could scroll up and down the page and
> compare the PICs to see which one had enough pins
> and enough memory...
>
> Their "new improved" web page is a disaster!
> Each family page just has a list of the PIC numbers
> with no info!!! You have to click on each one,
> wait for the page to load, before you can even see
> what memory size that PIC has!! What moron web
> designer at Microchip could possibly think that
> was a step forward??? You're sacked buddy!
>
> For people with slow modems on the other side of the
> planet (like poor little me) this was a really uncool
> change to an already poor web site.
>
> Haven't those retarded web site programmers at
> Microchip ever been to a GOOD web site like Texas
> Instruments, National semiconductor, or... heck,
> just about anybody??
>
> TI get my vote. I was there looking for a DAC the
> other day, they have a couple of hundred listed on
> the SAME PAGE (listening Microchip?), so I could
> just scroll up or down and see the 8-bit, 10-bit
> ones. It's in a column. If it is single DAC, or dual,
> etc. If it serial or parallel. By just scrolling up
> and down the page there was ALL the info I needed
> to choose a product.
>
> And it loaded real quick, pages of text do that.
> And WOW! Just by clicking one button I could SAVE
> the data for EVERY CHIP to my hard drive to see
> anytime! And again, by pressing one button I can
> print all this data to paper that I can highlight
> products and write notes on. Modern technology,
> isn't it wonderful.
>
> OK, maybe Microchip do provide a "search" facility,
> (but it's not working at the moment). Anyway, why
> should I have to enter data and wait for it to go
> and find what I want?? How do I print the whole
> product list from that to view later?? Who said
> a java solution was supposed to be better??
>
> What a joke Microchip web designers. Get your
> act together! Visit some good sites and take
> notes. And ADD PRICES! See the NS home page...
> Even a ballpark price is really handy when
> choosing a chip for the next project.
>
> I am real annoyed at having to click on EVERY
> SINGLE PIC (and then wait) just to see how much
> memory or pins it has!!!
> </rant>
>
> As a positive input, why not just have all PICs
> listed on one page (there are not that many!)
> and colour code each column.
> Like the "pins" column could be red for 18 pin
> devices and blue for 28 pin devices etc.
> You could colour code the device name for flash,
> eprom,otp, etc. You could colour code the rom
> column for 1k, 2k, 4k, etc. And show prices.
>
> This would give a quick loading, saveable, printable,
> one-page lookup table. You could scroll up or
> down and instantly find all the 18pin, 2k devices.
> The peripherals and pricing etc, columns allow you to
> quickly choose between types and consider different
> design options based on having ALL the information
> in front of you at once. The absolute greatest
> functionality...
> Ahhhh. Dreaming again. :o)
> -Roman
>
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> On Thu, 25 November 1999, Roman Black wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi people, time for a <rant>
> >
> > Has anyone else gone looking for a PIC at the
> > new Microchip.com site and been really miffed
> > by the way they have changed it??
> >
> > It used to have each "family" page with the PICs
> > listed down the page, and each PIC had a little
> > box showing rom size, number of pins, timers, etc
> > etc. So you could scroll up and down the page and
> > compare the PICs to see which one had enough pins
> > and enough memory...
> >
> > Their "new improved" web page is a disaster!
> > Each family page just has a list of the PIC numbers
> > with no info!!! You have to click on each one,
> > wait for the page to load, before you can even see
> > what memory size that PIC has!! What moron web
> > designer at Microchip could possibly think that
> > was a step forward??? You're sacked buddy!
> >
> > For people with slow modems on the other side of the
> > planet (like poor little me) this was a really uncool
> > change to an already poor web site.
> >
> > Haven't those retarded web site programmers at
> > Microchip ever been to a GOOD web site like Texas
> > Instruments, National semiconductor, or... heck,
> > just about anybody??
> >
> > TI get my vote. I was there looking for a DAC the
> > other day, they have a couple of hundred listed on
> > the SAME PAGE (listening Microchip?), so I could
> > just scroll up or down and see the 8-bit, 10-bit
> > ones. It's in a column. If it is single DAC, or dual,
> > etc. If it serial or parallel. By just scrolling up
> > and down the page there was ALL the info I needed
> > to choose a product.
> >
> > And it loaded real quick, pages of text do that.
> > And WOW! Just by clicking one button I could SAVE
> > the data for EVERY CHIP to my hard drive to see
> > anytime! And again, by pressing one button I can
> > print all this data to paper that I can highlight
> > products and write notes on. Modern technology,
> > isn't it wonderful.
> >
> > OK, maybe Microchip do provide a "search" facility,
> > (but it's not working at the moment). Anyway, why
> > should I have to enter data and wait for it to go
> > and find what I want?? How do I print the whole
> > product list from that to view later?? Who said
> > a java solution was supposed to be better??
> >
> > What a joke Microchip web designers. Get your
> > act together! Visit some good sites and take
> > notes. And ADD PRICES! See the NS home page...
> > Even a ballpark price is really handy when
> > choosing a chip for the next project.
> >
> > I am real annoyed at having to click on EVERY
> > SINGLE PIC (and then wait) just to see how much
> > memory or pins it has!!!
> > </rant>
> >
> > As a positive input, why not just have all PICs
> > listed on one page (there are not that many!)
> > and colour code each column.
> > Like the "pins" column could be red for 18 pin
> > devices and blue for 28 pin devices etc.
> > You could colour code the device name for flash,
> > eprom,otp, etc. You could colour code the rom
> > column for 1k, 2k, 4k, etc. And show prices.
> >
> > This would give a quick loading, saveable, printable,
> > one-page lookup table. You could scroll up or
> > down and instantly find all the 18pin, 2k devices.
> > The peripherals and pricing etc, columns allow you to
> > quickly choose between types and consider different
> > design options based on having ALL the information
> > in front of you at once. The absolute greatest
> > functionality...
> > Ahhhh. Dreaming again. :o)
> > -Roman
> >
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> > OK, maybe Microchip do provide a "search" facility,
> > (but it's not working at the moment).
>
> Yeah, what a crock!  I was delighted to hear they had finally set up a
> parametric search engine, so I gave it a little test drive to see what it
> could do.  Just to pick something, the task I set for myself was to find all
> the PICs that have both UART and IIC modules.
>
> The first page is broken into two separate boxes, labeled something like
> "general parameters" and "specific parameters".  I never did understand the
> distinction and why they had to be separate.  You could only select one I/O
> module at a time, so I started by asking for all PICs with UARTs.  I looked
> at the list and indeed it seemed to have found the right matches.  OK, so
> now I figured I could search this list for those PICs that have IIC modules,
> which should yield the list that has both UARTs and IICs.  Down the bottom
> of the list it says to hit the refine button below to refine your search,
> except that there is nothing below.  Duh!  Didn't they test this at all?!!
> So I went back to the previous page with the two blocks of choices.  This
> time I selected IIC module and hit "refine".  This generated a list of all
> PICs with IIC modules, not just the ones in my previous search results.
> Argh!!  So how does one refine an existing search as apposed to starting a
> new one?  I never did figure this out, but I know it's not done with the
> "refine" button.
>
> I noticed the whole search engine was taken down a day after I pointed this
> out to the folks a Microchip.  Maybe they are fixing it.

>
> from Olin:
> >I noticed their new Java interface the other day too.  Yes, it's a lot
> >slower with no apparent adavantages, but you're missing the point.  Web
> >sites have to be cool, which of course means using all the latest
> technology
> >with maximal TLAs.
>
> Admitting to already not being cool myself, I can ask the dumb question.
> What is a TLA??
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>
> James Paul wrote:
> >
> >  Roman,
> >
> >  At the risk of sounding sarcastic, why don't you just get a line
> >  card from Microchip?  They'll send you one in the mail along with
> >  a CD of the whole website.  And it only takes a few days.  Just a
> >  thought.   I'll go look at the NEW site now and see what I think.
> >
> >                                                Regards,
> >
> >                                                  Jim
>
>
> I have the CD. It's a pain in the butt. My line card is
> old and really doesn't provide the functionality possible
> even with just a decent HTML table online. And having to
> ring up everytime I need a price?? Don't they know their
> own prices???
>
> With our products we list the price on the HOME page near
> the top. Price should be a selling point, not some mystical
> voodoo magic that only the annointed sacred sales rep
> can pray for an answer. ;o)
> -Roman
>
>
> > On Thu, 25 November 1999, Roman Black wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi people, time for a <rant>
> > >
> > > Has anyone else gone looking for a PIC at the
> > > new Microchip.com site and been really miffed
> > > by the way they have changed it??
> > >
> > > It used to have each "family" page with the PICs
> > > listed down the page, and each PIC had a little
> > > box showing rom size, number of pins, timers, etc
> > > etc. So you could scroll up and down the page and
> > > compare the PICs to see which one had enough pins
> > > and enough memory...
> > >
> > > Their "new improved" web page is a disaster!
> > > Each family page just has a list of the PIC numbers
> > > with no info!!! You have to click on each one,
> > > wait for the page to load, before you can even see
> > > what memory size that PIC has!! What moron web
> > > designer at Microchip could possibly think that
> > > was a step forward??? You're sacked buddy!
> > >
> > > For people with slow modems on the other side of the
> > > planet (like poor little me) this was a really uncool
> > > change to an already poor web site.
> > >
> > > Haven't those retarded web site programmers at
> > > Microchip ever been to a GOOD web site like Texas
> > > Instruments, National semiconductor, or... heck,
> > > just about anybody??
> > >
> > > TI get my vote. I was there looking for a DAC the
> > > other day, they have a couple of hundred listed on
> > > the SAME PAGE (listening Microchip?), so I could
> > > just scroll up or down and see the 8-bit, 10-bit
> > > ones. It's in a column. If it is single DAC, or dual,
> > > etc. If it serial or parallel. By just scrolling up
> > > and down the page there was ALL the info I needed
> > > to choose a product.
> > >
> > > And it loaded real quick, pages of text do that.
> > > And WOW! Just by clicking one button I could SAVE
> > > the data for EVERY CHIP to my hard drive to see
> > > anytime! And again, by pressing one button I can
> > > print all this data to paper that I can highlight
> > > products and write notes on. Modern technology,
> > > isn't it wonderful.
> > >
> > > OK, maybe Microchip do provide a "search" facility,
> > > (but it's not working at the moment). Anyway, why
> > > should I have to enter data and wait for it to go
> > > and find what I want?? How do I print the whole
> > > product list from that to view later?? Who said
> > > a java solution was supposed to be better??
> > >
> > > What a joke Microchip web designers. Get your
> > > act together! Visit some good sites and take
> > > notes. And ADD PRICES! See the NS home page...
> > > Even a ballpark price is really handy when
> > > choosing a chip for the next project.
> > >
> > > I am real annoyed at having to click on EVERY
> > > SINGLE PIC (and then wait) just to see how much
> > > memory or pins it has!!!
> > > </rant>
> > >
> > > As a positive input, why not just have all PICs
> > > listed on one page (there are not that many!)
> > > and colour code each column.
> > > Like the "pins" column could be red for 18 pin
> > > devices and blue for 28 pin devices etc.
> > > You could colour code the device name for flash,
> > > eprom,otp, etc. You could colour code the rom
> > > column for 1k, 2k, 4k, etc. And show prices.
> > >
> > > This would give a quick loading, saveable, printable,
> > > one-page lookup table. You could scroll up or
> > > down and instantly find all the 18pin, 2k devices.
> > > The peripherals and pricing etc, columns allow you to
> > > quickly choose between types and consider different
> > > design options based on having ALL the information
> > > in front of you at once. The absolute greatest
> > > functionality...
> > > Ahhhh. Dreaming again. :o)
> > > -Roman
> > >
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> James Paul wrote:
> >
> >  Roman,
> >
> >  At the risk of sounding sarcastic, why don't you just get a line
> >  card from Microchip?  They'll send you one in the mail along with
> >  a CD of the whole website.  And it only takes a few days.  Just a
> >  thought.   I'll go look at the NEW site now and see what I think.
> >
> >                                                Regards,
> >
> >                                                  Jim
>
> I have the CD. It's a pain in the butt. My line card is
> old and really doesn't provide the functionality possible
> even with just a decent HTML table online. And having to
> ring up everytime I need a price?? Don't they know their
> own prices???
>
> With our products we list the price on the HOME page near
> the top. Price should be a selling point, not some mystical
> voodoo magic that only the annointed sacred sales rep
> can pray for an answer. ;o)
> -Roman
>
> > On Thu, 25 November 1999, Roman Black wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi people, time for a <rant>
> > >
> > > Has anyone else gone looking for a PIC at the
> > > new Microchip.com site and been really miffed
> > > by the way they have changed it??
> > >
> > > It used to have each "family" page with the PICs
> > > listed down the page, and each PIC had a little
> > > box showing rom size, number of pins, timers, etc
> > > etc. So you could scroll up and down the page and
> > > compare the PICs to see which one had enough pins
> > > and enough memory...
> > >
> > > Their "new improved" web page is a disaster!
> > > Each family page just has a list of the PIC numbers
> > > with no info!!! You have to click on each one,
> > > wait for the page to load, before you can even see
> > > what memory size that PIC has!! What moron web
> > > designer at Microchip could possibly think that
> > > was a step forward??? You're sacked buddy!
> > >
> > > For people with slow modems on the other side of the
> > > planet (like poor little me) this was a really uncool
> > > change to an already poor web site.
> > >
> > > Haven't those retarded web site programmers at
> > > Microchip ever been to a GOOD web site like Texas
> > > Instruments, National semiconductor, or... heck,
> > > just about anybody??
> > >
> > > TI get my vote. I was there looking for a DAC the
> > > other day, they have a couple of hundred listed on
> > > the SAME PAGE (listening Microchip?), so I could
> > > just scroll up or down and see the 8-bit, 10-bit
> > > ones. It's in a column. If it is single DAC, or dual,
> > > etc. If it serial or parallel. By just scrolling up
> > > and down the page there was ALL the info I needed
> > > to choose a product.
> > >
> > > And it loaded real quick, pages of text do that.
> > > And WOW! Just by clicking one button I could SAVE
> > > the data for EVERY CHIP to my hard drive to see
> > > anytime! And again, by pressing one button I can
> > > print all this data to paper that I can highlight
> > > products and write notes on. Modern technology,
> > > isn't it wonderful.
> > >
> > > OK, maybe Microchip do provide a "search" facility,
> > > (but it's not working at the moment). Anyway, why
> > > should I have to enter data and wait for it to go
> > > and find what I want?? How do I print the whole
> > > product list from that to view later?? Who said
> > > a java solution was supposed to be better??
> > >
> > > What a joke Microchip web designers. Get your
> > > act together! Visit some good sites and take
> > > notes. And ADD PRICES! See the NS home page...
> > > Even a ballpark price is really handy when
> > > choosing a chip for the next project.
> > >
> > > I am real annoyed at having to click on EVERY
> > > SINGLE PIC (and then wait) just to see how much
> > > memory or pins it has!!!
> > > </rant>
> > >
> > > As a positive input, why not just have all PICs
> > > listed on one page (there are not that many!)
> > > and colour code each column.
> > > Like the "pins" column could be red for 18 pin
> > > devices and blue for 28 pin devices etc.
> > > You could colour code the device name for flash,
> > > eprom,otp, etc. You could colour code the rom
> > > column for 1k, 2k, 4k, etc. And show prices.
> > >
> > > This would give a quick loading, saveable, printable,
> > > one-page lookup table. You could scroll up or
> > > down and instantly find all the 18pin, 2k devices.
> > > The peripherals and pricing etc, columns allow you to
> > > quickly choose between types and consider different
> > > design options based on having ALL the information
> > > in front of you at once. The absolute greatest
> > > functionality...
> > > Ahhhh. Dreaming again. :o)
> > > -Roman
> > >
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