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2001\07\04@003932 by Jeanette Eya-Zeissig

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Hi,

       I've been a lurker on this list for some time, and I've gleaned a
lot of good tips from the responses to other people's questions. Now I'm in
a situation where I need some advice, and its a situation that doesn't seem
to come up as a topic very often. I've been working on a series of walking
robots using PIC16F84's for control, and in adding sensory systems have
arrived at the point where I seriously need to use a device with more I/O
pins. Simply ganging up more F84's just won't do. I've grown intractably
attached to the instant erasibility of the F series, and vow never to
return to windowed parts. So far, so good: just go to 16F87X's, end of
problem, right?
       It would be except for the fact that I do all my development on
Apple computers using Kevin Coble's MacPIC software, a shareware assembler
with simulator that supports several popular programmer boards. Its a great
piece of work and a real bargain, but it does not support the new parts.
About a year and a half ago Kevin seemed to drop off the face of the Earth.
His website is still there, and I assume you could still download MacPIC,
but e-mails to him go unanswered. So, after this amount of time I must
conclude that upgrades of this fine program have ended and the F87X chips,
etc. will never be supported. For me this means switching to a completely
new development system, hence my e-mail to this list.
       I want to solicit opinions on the most cost effective development
system for someone like                         myself, who:
       1. Writes only in MChip assembly.
       2. Would have to acquire a laptop (preferably) or a desktop system
to serve pretty much as a
           dedicated PIC development platform.
       3. Has no problem putting together some kind of programming board
compatible with the
           assembler he winds up with.

       Naturally, I don't want to shell out any more dough than I have to.
My initial thoughts are some kind of Wintel box running  Windows 95 or 98,
MPLAB, and a programmer like that offered by Peter Anderson. Or would it be
better to go to Linux, gnupic, etc.? What are the system requirements for
the latest version of MPLAB? I've searched the MChip site and downloaded
the MPLAB manual, but I'm damned if I can find any reference to what I need
to have. I'm sure this all sounds very funny; I can see a certain humorous
element to it myself. Maybe this is the kind of stuff that everybody just
knows as part of the cultural heritage, so there's no need to ask. If so,
consider me as a Papua/New Guinea bush guy who just washed up in Santa
Monica and needs to buy a car. Nothing fancy, just enough to be freeway
legal and pass smog inspection. Thanks in advance for any help.

               John Zeissig

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2001\07\04@023416 by Heinz Czychun

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At 8:58 PM -0700 7/3/01, Jeanette Eya-Zeissig wrote:
>Hi,

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Hi John,

       I'm in the same boat, and have come to the same conclusion.
I'm using Kevin's software with a Warp-3 programmer. It will program
the 'F8xx parts by setting it for an 'F84 part, but is not able to
get the 'F8xx parts out of LVP mode, and will only allow the 1st 1k
words to be programmed.

       How about another, perhaps not so sophisticated, but, open
source enough to modify, assembler/programmer for the Mac. All you
have to do is build a very simple board with an 'F84, and learn  some
HyperCard.

       http://www.execpc.com/~fdeck/mac/               <- web page

       http://www.execpc.com/~fdeck/mac/pic203_install.sea.hqx <- file url

       The file contains a documentation file with schematics for
the programmer, PIC Assembler/Programmer HyperCard stack, and
firmware listings for the 'F84. The HyperCard stack software is all
accessible if you have the HyperCard software. If you have just the
player then Francis has included a handy button that prints all the
scripts, but you won't be able to modify them,
Which will be necessary.

       My thoughts are to learn enough about hypercard to modify the
configuration parts to allow for the more sophisticated configuration
options of the 'F8xx parts. The other feature built into Kevin's code
is a memory limit check. Since Francis' doesn't have this check it
doesn't need to be modified for the additional memory of the 'F8xx
parts.

       Now I haven't built the programmer, and not used the software
but it all seems doable.

This may be the solution your looking for,
Heinz

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2001\07\04@084625 by Olin Lathrop

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>         I want to solicit opinions on the most cost effective development
> system for someone like                         myself, who:
>         1. Writes only in MChip assembly.
>         2. Would have to acquire a laptop (preferably) or a desktop system
> to serve pretty much as a
>             dedicated PIC development platform.
>         3. Has no problem putting together some kind of programming board
> compatible with the
>             assembler he winds up with.

Use the MPLAB tool set from Microchip on any 32 bit Windows platform.  The
Microchip software is completely free and includes the assembler, librarian,
linker, and IDE.  There is other freeware out there, but this is the stuff
officially supported by Microchip, so you know it will always be updated for
new chips and the like.  It also has nicely integrated support for their
programmers, in circuit debuggers, and ICEs.  It's what I use for
professional PIC development, although I did have to write wrappers around
some of their tools so I could run them from my build system.

> What are the system requirements for
> the latest version of MPLAB?

It will run on just about any Windows system since the Pleistoscene.
Fortunately the next major release will finally abandon the old 16 bit
platforms so we can have 32 bit features like long file names.  Even the new
version will supposedly run on any 32 bit Windows, which would be 95, 98,
ME, NT4, 2000.  I have run it on NT4 and am currently running it on 2000.


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2001\07\04@101945 by Bob Ammerman

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Whatever you get: make sure it does ICD and ICSP.

IMNSHO, the improvement ICD gives you over burn and churn flash programming
is much greater than the difference between JW and flash.

If you have been using a good (ie: fast) simulator, you will be very
disappointed by the performance of MPSIM. Luckily, with ICD you can do much
of your debugginng on the target hardware.

Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems
(contract development of high performance, high function, low-level
software)

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2001\07\04@104110 by Bob Ammerman

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> Use the MPLAB tool set from Microchip on any 32 bit Windows platform.  The
> Microchip software is completely free and includes the assembler,
librarian,
> linker, and IDE.  There is other freeware out there, but this is the stuff
> officially supported by Microchip, so you know it will always be updated
for
> new chips and the like.  It also has nicely integrated support for their
> programmers, in circuit debuggers, and ICEs.  It's what I use for
> professional PIC development, although I did have to write wrappers around
> some of their tools so I could run them from my build system.
> ********************************************************************
> Olin Lathrop, embedded systems consultant in Littleton Massachusetts


But watch out for the slug-slow simulator --- maybe that'll get better with
the 32-bit version.

Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems
(contract development of high performance, high function, low-level
software)

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2001\07\07@214357 by Alexandre Domingos F. Souza

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>        Naturally, I don't want to shell out any more dough than I have to.
>My initial thoughts are some kind of Wintel box running  Windows 95 or 98,
>MPLAB, and a programmer like that offered by Peter Anderson. Or would it be
>better to go to Linux, gnupic, etc.? What are the system requirements for
>the latest version of MPLAB? I've searched the MChip site and downloaded
>the MPLAB manual, but I'm damned if I can find any reference to what I need
>to have. I'm sure this all sounds very funny; I can see a certain humorous
>element to it myself. Maybe this is the kind of stuff that everybody just
>knows as part of the cultural heritage, so there's no need to ask. If so,
>consider me as a Papua/New Guinea bush guy who just washed up in Santa
>Monica and needs to buy a car. Nothing fancy, just enough to be freeway
>legal and pass smog inspection. Thanks in advance for any help.

       I use an old 486 with mono VGA and 32MB of ram. MPLAB + Picstart (not the plus). And I'm happy with it ;o)


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2001\07\08@004947 by Roman Black

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Alexandre Domingos F. Souza wrote:

>         I use an old 486 with mono VGA and 32MB of ram. MPLAB + Picstart (not the plus). And I'm happy with it ;o)


How is the Picstart 16B going? Did you get it
upgraded to do the other PICs yet?
:o)
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2001\07\08@095829 by Alexandre Domingos F. Souza

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>>         I use an old 486 with mono VGA and 32MB of ram. MPLAB + Picstart (not the plus). And I'm happy with it ;o)
>How is the Picstart 16B going? Did you get it
>upgraded to do the other PICs yet?

       Not yet, Farnell (the ONLY place I can get that pic to reprogram and use the warp-13 firmware) has a 40 days of delay for delivering me the chip, at a low price of Us$ 25. So I'm waiting for them. But it's already installed and powered, waiting for the chip ;o)


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