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2003\12\22@104323 by 8859-9?B?1m1lciBZYWxo/Q==?=

I have recently purchased the Warp13a, --the worst programmer I have ever laid my hands on-- and it does not work.  I keep getting the following error:

Cannot get CTS permission to send byte, Aborting operation

Anybody have any idea?

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2003\12\22@104738 by

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Omer Yalhi wrote :

> I have recently purchased the Warp13a, --the worst programmer
> I have ever laid my hands on-- and it does not work.

Hi.
Well, I don't know anything about the Warp13a, but...

Would it not be better to try get it working first, and
then have an opinion about it ?

Jan-Erik.

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2003\12\22@105949 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> I have recently purchased the Warp13a, --the worst programmer
> I have ever laid my hands on-- and it does not work.  I keep
> getting the following error:
>
> Cannot get CTS permission to send byte, Aborting operation
>
> Anybody have any idea?

I sell a competing product so I should probably agree with you, but this
does not sound like a well-founded conclusion.

Maybe you have not used the correct serial port? Or a null-modem cable
instead of a straight one (or vice versa)? Or you did not power the
programmer?

And just maybe you should first report to the place where you bought it
to give them a chance to help you before you start shouting in a public
forum?

Wouter van Ooijen

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2003\12\22@112519 by Omer YALHI

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Well I forgot to mention that it sometimes works, most of the time doesn't.
I get the given error (earlier) most of the time.

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2003\12\22@113349 by Omer YALHI
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Wouter,

Actually, I had narrowed it down to two, Warp and yours.  Why did I choose
the Warp13a?  Because this time I did extensive research and found this
programmer to be the best (!) and it was their internet site that made me
finally choose it.  They had good advertising of their product (they are the
fastes to respond to new chips etc.)

I should have just went ahead with yours.  Actually I still might.

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2003\12\22@114806 by Herbert Graf

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> I have recently purchased the Warp13a, --the worst programmer I
> have ever laid my hands on--

       Best programmer I've ever had. Worked perfectly right out of the box.

> and it does not work.  I keep
> getting the following error:
>
> Cannot get CTS permission to send byte, Aborting operation
>
> Anybody have any idea?

       Sounds like the port is being used by another process. Try a different port
or different machine.

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2003\12\22@121145 by Jean-Michel Howland

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>I have recently purchased the Warp13a, --the worst programmer I have ever
>laid my hands on-- and it does not work.  I keep getting the following error:
>
>Cannot get CTS permission to send byte, Aborting operation
>
>Anybody have any idea?

I own a Warp13 and its worked *perfectly* over the last 3 years.

I would take a look at the RS-232 side, check the cable, the DB-9 on the
board etc. as it sounds like you have flow control issues.

Regards
Jean-Michel.

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2003\12\22@134452 by Rick C.

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Make sure you have the correct power supply. Some transformers don't have the
current capability or headroom to program but just enough to do a read. A
slight variation in the mains will cause the regulator to collapse under
programming load.
Rick

Omer YALHI wrote:

> Well I forgot to mention that it sometimes works, most of the time doesn't.
> I get the given error (earlier) most of the time.
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2003\12\22@135659 by Josh Koffman

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Echoing what others have already said, but I own the WARP13a, and it was
one of my better purchases. It has always worked wonderfully for me.
Either there is a problem in your particular unit (possible), or there
is something wrong with your setup (more likely). I did run into
problems once when trying to run it off a USB-Serial convertor. I had to
play with the settings to get it to run right. However, your problem
seems like something else is trying to access your serial port. Oh, and
I've found people to be far less helpful when you belittle their
product, then ask for assistance.

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Omer YALHI wrote:
> Well I forgot to mention that it sometimes works, most of the time doesn't.
> I get the given error (earlier) most of the time.

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2003\12\22@140946 by John Ferrell

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Have you contacted the vendor?
You are right, they sure do have a slick web site.

In all cases of serial port use that I have come in contact with the CTS
(Clear To Send) detection is verifying that the device is cabled and turned
on. In many instances the connected device simply has a jumper from RTS
(Request To Send) to CTS (Clear To Send). Looking at the device pictures I
think it will be easy to probe these points. Typically, these lines go both
plus and minus.

Since the device works sometimes, I doubt it is a cable problem. It sounds
like a serial port driver (hardware) has been damaged on your computer.

There may be some configuration options for you serial port to consider as
well.

These kinds of problems are very frustrating. I hope we can help you through
the problems.

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2003\12\22@141152 by Bruce Partridge

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I have a warp13 and have never had a problem.  It worked first time and
hasn't failed yet.

But you have to careful with devices that directly access serial ports on
Windows 2000.  If this device was sensitive to that, there must have been
something in the installation notes, because I don't remember any problems
installing it.

Bruce Partridge
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2003\12\22@142439 by SM Ling

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> Actually, I had narrowed it down to two, Warp and yours.  Why did I choose
> the Warp13a?  Because this time I did extensive research and found this
> programmer to be the best (!) and it was their internet site that made me
> finally choose it.  They had good advertising of their product (they are
the
> fastes to respond to new chips etc.)

It works.  Just upgraded to 20MHz, and still work.  Have you checked your
supply and make sure it has enough nice voltage?  It has some self-test
features, have you used them?  If not, have you contacted the maker, Jim, I
know he would bend over backward to help if given a chance - from personal
experiences.

One thing to take note is the In-circuit programming (5pin out), if your
prototype/demo is not right, you might burn the Warp13 chip because the
output pins are not protected.

Ling SM

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2003\12\22@144722 by Omer YALHI (Teksan)

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Thanks for all the help.  To sum it all up I will try the following:

- Try a different power supply (or supplies)

Things already tried:

- Since I use the Port 1 and Port 2 on the computer all the time I know they
are working
- I know the cables (3 different ones) are working fine I use them all the
time
- Tried a different computer (2 computers total) and both have the same
problem

Sorry for being critical, I did not know there were so many Warp fans.  It's
just that, it is frustrating when things just don't work out of the box.
But if it is in fact the power supply (which is a possiblity) than, shame on
me to judge so quickly.

Thanks and best regards,

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2003\12\22@145801 by Rick C.

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Like I previously posted, I had the exact same problem. Sometimes it would fail
even though everything was the same. I use Win2k on com1. I just happened to
grab the wrong transformer. Even though the led light worked, it was failing on
programming. The correct transformer fixed the problem. That's not to say you
may have this problem, just a heads up to the list if they confront the same.
Rick

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2003\12\22@204012 by John Ferrell

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We all have to "blow off a little steam" now & then!
You just might have got a bad unit to start with. Keep us informed.
I really doubt anyone who puts that much effort into their web site will not
provide you the support you need.

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2003\12\22@213456 by kben

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John Ferrell <RemoveMEjohnferrellTakeThisOuTspamspamEARTHLINK.NET> said:

> We all have to "blow off a little steam" now & then!
> You just might have got a bad unit to start with. Keep
us informed.
> I really doubt anyone who puts that much effort into
their web site will not
> provide you the support you need.

Well I'll throw my $.02 in too, Jim's very very
responsive to any questions about his product. I have had
mine about three years and had only a minor problem once.
In my opinion it's a great programmer and Jim provides
great support.

I have run the same Warp13 on Win98, NT, 2000 and now XP
Pro, and also on four different hardware platforms.
I also upgraded the firmware to Redback and the crystal
from 4Mhz to 20Mhz without incident.

~Kevin

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2003\12\23@070711 by Omer YALHI

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The unit seems to work fine with my Pentium 133 MHz / Windows 98, ancient
notebook.  However, it does not workk with my Pentium 4 2GHz machine with 1
GB RAM and Windows XP Pro.  Any ideas what I should do?  The unit being a
serial unit, I thought the computer difference would not make any
difference.

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2003\12\23@085028 by Mike Hord

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Actually, I've been using a Warp13a for several years and have found it to
be
quite useful.

What version of Windows are you running this under?  Have you tried just
telling MPLab to use it as a PICStart+?

Also, do make sure that you have it connected to the serial port you say you
do, and that you have power to the unit.  Have you looked at the Newfound
Electronics website to see if there are any helpful tips there?

I expect you'll be hearing from Jim Robertson, the man behind the curtain,
before too long.  He's been very helpful to me on the one or two occasions
I've had trouble and posted here on the PICList.

I'd agree with Jan-Erik: don't knock it until it works and you have had a
chance to give it a fair shake.

Mike H.

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2003\12\23@090518 by Omer YALHI

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Mike hi,

Actually I have succesfully ran the software on my Pentium 133 machine.  The
unit is not working with the P4 2GHz machine that I have.  I am trying to
find out, how to fix this, but so far zip.

Any ideas are appriciated.


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2003\12\23@091349 by John J. McDonough

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What OS are you running on your P4?  If it's NT (including W2K, XP) you
gotta smack it upside the head to get it to let you at the ports.  If so, go
look for DirectIO on the web.

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Mike hi,

Actually I have succesfully ran the software on my Pentium 133 machine.  The
unit is not working with the P4 2GHz machine that I have.  I am trying to
find out, how to fix this, but so far zip.

Any ideas are appriciated.



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2003\12\23@091351 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> Actually I have succesfully ran the software on my Pentium
> 133 machine.  The
> unit is not working with the P4 2GHz machine that I have.  I
> am trying to
> find out, how to fix this, but so far zip.

Hmmm

I have had lots of problems with the serial port on my big PC (also a 2
GHz system), running XP, using any serial programmer and even with a few
other serial thingies. But no problem whatsoever when I use an
USB-to-serial converter with the same machine, so that is what I have
user ever since. I had always suspected my hardware, but maybe there is
something funny with a certain windows/hardware combination.

Could you try an USB-to-serial converter?

Wouter van Ooijen

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2003\12\23@091604 by Mike Hord

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I believe I heard one user say at one point that updating
the DirectX drivers on his machine helped.  Why that would,
I don't know.

Sometimes I have a little trouble the first time I want to
program under Win2k, but usually, simply resetting the
programmer (with the reset button, not by power cycle)
helps.

Finally, make sure you're running the latest version of the
software from the website, and note that, once installed,
the actual executable should be updated by downloading
the latest version of the executable.

Mike H.

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2003\12\23@093557 by Omer YALHI

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Unbelievable!!!  I tried the USB-to-Serial converter, now everything is
working fine!  Thanks for the help Wouter and everyone else who took their
time to answer my posts.

Best regards,

Omer

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2003\12\23@104616 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> Unbelievable!!!  I tried the USB-to-Serial converter, now
> everything is
> working fine!  Thanks for the help Wouter and everyone else
> who took their
> time to answer my posts.

Interesting. The problem as far as I found out was that a 'send' call
never terminated. And I did not use hardware flow control. I guess the
serial port software has some problem. Good to know.

Wouter van Ooijen

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2003\12\23@142913 by Nate Duehr

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On Tuesday 23 December 2003 05:08 am, Omer YALHI wrote:
> The unit seems to work fine with my Pentium 133 MHz / Windows 98,
> ancient notebook.  However, it does not workk with my Pentium 4 2GHz
> machine with 1 GB RAM and Windows XP Pro.  Any ideas what I should
> do?  The unit being a serial unit, I thought the computer difference
> would not make any difference.

I actually keep an old Pentium-I machine running Win98 (the only
full-time Windows machine in the house!) just for chip programming.

Copy files to/from it if they were edited elsewhere, or just store them
on the file server (the box has its own directory and uses a drive
letter to share files via the Samba server) and VNC for controlling it.

That way I have a little "chip programming workstation" on an old
teletype desk and that machine and the various programmers and things
are all on that desk.  Works well.  Once in a while a chip or small
part falls through the desk, since it has paper slot and holes to route
various teletypewriter cables, etc.  Heh.  And there I am digging
around on the floor trying to find where it went... heh.  I really
should put a flat desktop on that desk, but it's so neat to have the
old teletype placard and stuff showing that I can't bring myself to
cover it up.  :-)

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2003\12\23@145752 by John Ferrell

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Great! I think Windows is good once you accept you have to sometimes out
flank it...

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Unbelievable!!!  I tried the USB-to-Serial converter, now everything is
working fine!  Thanks for the help Wouter and everyone else who took their
time to answer my posts.

Best regards,

Omer

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2003\12\23@150621 by John Ferrell

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I have found XP Pro to be very easy to get along with. The MPLAB to Picstart
Plus has worked well from the beginning.

I have added Epson to my "no-buy list" because they have failed to provide a
usable driver for PhotoPC 800 Camera though. It looks like I will need to
keep a W98 machine around until I find a work around. I expect I can make a
compact flash card reader work but I have not got around to getting one.

BTW, Epson Support does not want email, they want you to send a snail mail.
I expect cameras to last a lot longer than computers. So long, Epson.

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