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'[PIC]: Programming 16C54's with the Pocket'
2001\06\11@201851 by James Newton. Admin 3

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Has anybody
A) had a chance to enter the data into the Pocket Programmer chip data file
for 16C54's?

B) tested it?

C) got a few 16C54's to test with if someone else enters it? (I'll pay, I'd
order some more "extra" chips and do it myself but I'm out of time.... I'd
love to use the pocket, but I may have to avail myself of a friends Picstart
as I have in the past)

James Newton
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2001\06\11@203317 by Tony Nixon

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"James Newton. Admin 3" wrote:
>
> Has anybody
> A) had a chance to enter the data into the Pocket Programmer chip data file
> for 16C54's?
>
> B) tested it?
>
> C) got a few 16C54's to test with if someone else enters it? (I'll pay, I'd
> order some more "extra" chips and do it myself but I'm out of time.... I'd
> love to use the pocket, but I may have to avail myself of a friends Picstart
> as I have in the past)


The pocket cannot program 16C5x chips because it does not have the pins
available for parallel programming.

It was decided early in development not to include these as it would
have made the circuit much more complex if multy voltage verifying was
provided for these chips.

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2001\06\11@225845 by Drew Vassallo

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>The pocket cannot program 16C5x chips because it does not have the pins
>available for parallel programming.

Too bad, would have made programming SX's a little easier :)  I don't know
if that's what James was alluding to, but it may have been possible, no?

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2001\06\11@233833 by Jim Robertson

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At 10:58 PM 11/06/01 -0400, you wrote:
>>The pocket cannot program 16C5x chips because it does not have the pins
>>available for parallel programming.
>
>Too bad, would have made programming SX's a little easier :)  I don't know
>if that's what James was alluding to, but it may have been possible, no?
>
>--Andrew

Yer, I got the same impression and why wouldn't you. The following comments
are from James Newton...

Quote 1

The Pocket has an nice big PIC, LCD display, variable supply voltage for
margining and lots of IO. And it is open source (again) so you can write
code for it to support a parallel interface if that is what you want or code
to program any device you like.

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Quote 2

This is exactly what the pocket is. It is an existing, proven and
professional design, with OPEN SOURCE (and hardware) so you can add whatever
programming abilities you want to it. It has one analog source.

End Quote

Given that James Newton sells the pocket programmer, and though piclist.com
I might add?!, it would be not asking to much if he knew what he is and isn't
selling.

The pocket programmer is nothing more than a very specialize PIC production
programmer that currently supports a very small number of 14-bit core PICs
(can be added to, just like Tony Nixon's engine but who has or is doing
that?)
and the 18Cxxx parts. No support for any 12-Bit core parts including the
12C50x family. Try adding serial eeproms, Atmel AVR etc and you will see that
the pocket is not suitable for expansion and even if so of what value is
open source if you have to write completely new code for different devices?

Sorry to say the pocket programmer is far from James' universal programmer
utopia and, as a soothing balm for the failure of CUMP, is nothing more than
snake oil. But you can always get a little mileage with the placebo effect.
Just make sure no one spoils the party with a few facts and the call for
accuracy and responsibility.

-Jim Robertson










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2001\06\12@015113 by James Newton. Admin 3

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I forgot what the 16C54 required, not what the Pocket was capable of. Simple
human mistake.

Also, I sell the Pocket in the US at my cost. Any difference between costs
and what I sell it for are less than the time I've put in packaging and
shipping etc...

I do think that a nice little IO expansion add on for the pocket would be
great.

And Jim, I think the world of  your product, it is listed BEFORE the pocket
on the piclist.com page for PIC device programmers. It is what I recommend
to people who want something more than the picstart and have the bucks to
pay for it. Is it ok with you if we try to learn and share some little part
of what you have learned and kept?

Did you find someone to assemble those units so that you could add code for
EPROM's? Did you hand someone your source so that they could add it? If you
opened your source, Tony or someone could be writing that code for you...

James Newton, PICList Admin #3
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