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2000\08\06@231549 by Edson Brusque

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Hello,

> to my knowledge, there are two that integrate into MPLAB.
> Picstart Plus
> http://www.microchip.com/
> and warp-13
> http://www.dontronics.com/newfound.html

   I'm actually using P16PRO (hardware) with PICAll for Windows (software).
I've made an ICP cable and it's working really well, but I'm thinking about
the warp-13.

   I've seen some complaints about PicStart being slow. Is warp-13 faster?
Can the warp-13 program pics faster than P16PRO? Can I use the ISP cable to
power the proto-board? Can I use RB6/7 (for keys for example) with the ISP
cable connected? Can I buy the PCB with squematics and .hex file?

   Best regards,

   Brusque

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2000\08\07@001451 by Don McKenzie

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Edson Brusque wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> > to my knowledge, there are two that integrate into MPLAB.
> > Picstart Plus
> > http://www.microchip.com/
> > and warp-13
> > http://www.dontronics.com/newfound.html

and promate as Jim points out.

>
>     I'm actually using P16PRO (hardware) with PICAll for Windows (software).
> I've made an ICP cable and it's working really well, but I'm thinking about
> the warp-13.
>
>     I've seen some complaints about PicStart being slow. Is warp-13 faster?

again, I'm sure Jim will come up with some figures here to say the
warp-13 is faster. :-)

> Can the warp-13 program pics faster than P16PRO?

with any rs-232 driven programmer, there is the software download time
to be taken into account, as every byte must be delivered in serial
form.

Can I use the ISP cable to
> power the proto-board? Can I use RB6/7 (for keys for example) with the ISP
> cable connected? Can I buy the PCB with squematics and .hex file?

No you won't get the file and PCB for the warp-13.

Yes you can use ISP via the 5 wire connector, however you will have to
watch the loading on RB6 and 7.
But this applies to the p16pro, or any other programmer.

My dt001 board uses a 4pdt switch to overcome this problem, and there is
no reason the same system can't be hooked up to a picstart+ for that
matter.

Don McKenzie    spam_OUTdonTakeThisOuTspamdontronics.com      http://www.dontronics.com

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2000\08\07@002324 by Bob Blick

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Brusque,

The key phrase here is "integrate into MPLAB". Your choices are:

Microchip - Picstart+ and Promate
Newfound - Warp-13

Cheers,

Bob

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2000\08\07@012651 by Edson Brusque

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Hello Don,

> with any rs-232 driven programmer, there is the software download time
> to be taken into account, as every byte must be delivered in serial
> form.

   At what baud rate the warp-13 works? At 19200bps, 1KWord takes little
more than 1 sec.

> My dt001 board uses a 4pdt switch to overcome this problem, and there is
> no reason the same system can't be hooked up to a picstart+ for that
> matter.

   I'm using a CD4046 for this on my P16PRO, and it works!

   Best regards,

   Brusque

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2000\08\07@024108 by Don McKenzie
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Edson Brusque wrote:
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> Hello Don,
>
> > with any rs-232 driven programmer, there is the software download time
> > to be taken into account, as every byte must be delivered in serial
> > form.
>
>     At what baud rate the warp-13 works? At 19200bps, 1KWord takes little
> more than 1 sec.

yes, I'm pretty sure it is 19.6 also.

>
> > My dt001 board uses a 4pdt switch to overcome this problem, and there is
> > no reason the same system can't be hooked up to a picstart+ for that
> > matter.
>
>     I'm using a CD4046 for this on my P16PRO, and it works!

If it works in your cct, then it will work with any programmer I would
think, as the same 5 lines are used.

Cheers Don...

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2000\08\07@100651 by Jim Robertson

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At 02:22 AM 8/7/00 -0300, you wrote:
>Hello Don,
>
>> with any rs-232 driven programmer, there is the software download time
>> to be taken into account, as every byte must be delivered in serial
>> form.
>
>    At what baud rate the warp-13 works? At 19200bps, 1KWord takes little
>more than 1 sec.

WARP-13 comms is at 19200. Remember data is sent to and from the WARP-13
so it is really 2 seconds per 1K word, same as the picstart but without some
of the overhead.


>
>> My dt001 board uses a 4pdt switch to overcome this problem, and there is
>> no reason the same system can't be hooked up to a picstart+ for that
>> matter.
>
>    I'm using a CD4046 for this on my P16PRO, and it works!

you mean 4066 right? The 4046 is a PLL. ;-)

-Jim

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2000\08\07@100706 by Jim Robertson

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At 02:10 PM 8/7/00 +1000, you wrote:

>
>>     I've seen some complaints about PicStart being slow. Is warp-13 faster?
>
>again, I'm sure Jim will come up with some figures here to say the
>warp-13 is faster. :-)

When I program my 16C63s the WARP-13 is just shy of twice the speed of the
picstart plus. The WARP-13 is much faster again with the flash parts but
there
are areas were the picstart is faster, blank checking is one as it has more
mips to play with. Overall the WARP-13 with its native driver is faster and
has options not found in MPLAB.


>> Can the warp-13 program pics faster than P16PRO?

>with any rs-232 driven programmer, there is the software download time
>to be taken into account, as every byte must be delivered in serial
>form.

Right, tait style programmers should be much quicker if they are coded
with any degree of care.

>Can I use the ISP cable to
>> power the proto-board? Can I use RB6/7 (for keys for example) with the ISP
>> cable connected? Can I buy the PCB with squematics and .hex file?

>No you won't get the file and PCB for the warp-13.

Right.

>
>Yes you can use ISP via the 5 wire connector, however you will have to
>watch the loading on RB6 and 7.
>But this applies to the p16pro, or any other programmer.

There is some technical info on this sort of stuff on my web page under the
support link.

-Jim

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Regards,

Jim Robertson
NEWFOUND ELECTRONICS
Email: .....newfoundKILLspamspam.....pipeline.com.au
http://www.new-elect.com
MPLAB compatible PIC programmers.

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2000\08\07@104103 by Edson Brusque

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Hello Jim,

> >    I'm using a CD4046 for this on my P16PRO, and it works!
> you mean 4066 right? The 4046 is a PLL. ;-)

   Ooops, sorry :)

> There is some technical info on this sort of stuff on my web page under
the
> support link.

   I'll look at it. Thanks.

   Best regards,

   Brusque

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