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'[PIC]: PicStart Plus Firmware'
2001\04\16@100444 by Shawn Yates

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I need to upgrade my PicStart Plus firmware but I can't seem to locate the
HEX file seperatly at the web site, can someone please send it to me?

I know its included with the latest MPLAB, and I have downloaded the file.
The problem is that I know if I install the new version of MPL, I will not
be able to use my programmer untill I upgrade its firmware.  Yet, I can not
get the firmware file without installing the new version of MPL.  I think
they should have some provision for allowing the new MPL to communicate with
an old version of the programmer just to allow a new programmer firmware to
be burned.  $0.02

Shawn

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2001\04\16@125833 by Roman Black

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Shawn Yates wrote:
>
> I need to upgrade my PicStart Plus firmware but I can't seem to locate the
> HEX file seperatly at the web site, can someone please send it to me?
>
> I know its included with the latest MPLAB, and I have downloaded the file.
> The problem is that I know if I install the new version of MPL, I will not
> be able to use my programmer untill I upgrade its firmware.  Yet, I can not
> get the firmware file without installing the new version of MPL.  I think
> they should have some provision for allowing the new MPL to communicate with
> an old version of the programmer just to allow a new programmer firmware to
> be burned.  $0.02


Hi Shawn, I have copies of the 2.10 and 2.30 firmware
for PicStart Plus.

I am currently running the 2.10 ok with the new MPLAB
5.30. Now if I just knew what the file was called I could
email it to you! :o)
-Roman

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2001\04\16@132537 by Quentin

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I still got version 1.50 and use it with MPLAB 5.30.
All my MPLAB does is complain that I must update everytime I startup my
Picstart for the first time, but it still works. Except obviously for
the chips that is not supported, but the one you need for the update is
suported.

One of those things I still must do. I needed to update and I bought ICD
instead. That was over a year ago....

The file you are looking for is PSF20100.hex or PSF23000.hex. Don't know
why I got both in my folder. I take it the latest one is Version 2.30.

Let me know offlist if I must send it to you.
Quentin

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2001\04\16@135937 by Dwayne Reid

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At 10:04 AM 4/16/01 -0400, Shawn Yates wrote:
>I need to upgrade my PicStart Plus firmware but I can't seem to locate the
>HEX file seperatly at the web site, can someone please send it to me?
>
>I know its included with the latest MPLAB, and I have downloaded the file.
>The problem is that I know if I install the new version of MPL, I will not
>be able to use my programmer untill I upgrade its firmware.  Yet, I can not
>get the firmware file without installing the new version of MPL.  I think
>they should have some provision for allowing the new MPL to communicate with
>an old version of the programmer just to allow a new programmer firmware to
>be burned.  $0.02

The new MPLAB will work just fine with your old firmware.  It will give you
a message saying that you should upgrade the firmware but will still allow
you to use the old firmware.  Thus: install the new MPLAB (into a separate
directory in case you still want to use old MPLAB), start up MPLAB, program
the new firmware chip using the old firmware, change chips.  Done!  Save
the old firmware chip so that you can erase the new chip and re-program it
when a new firmware version comes along.  I glued a small piece of
anti-static foam inside the PicStart Plus case to store the original chip.

dwayne

Note: I always install the latest MPLAB into its own directory just in case
I find the new version too different or too buggy.  It takes up more disk
space but its worth it.  I start dumping old versions when I get too many
of them (I keep 2 or 3 old versions available).

dwayne



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2001\04\16@141014 by Shawn Yates

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Thanks.

I did that and it worked fine.  I had previously installed the latest MPL on
a new machine and I was sure the message said it would not program and I HAD
to upgrade, but it was late at night at a customers site with lots of
pressure.  I could have misread it.

Thanks again.

Shawn

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2001\04\16@142716 by mike

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On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:04:00 -0400, you wrote:

>I need to upgrade my PicStart Plus firmware but I can't seem to locate the
>HEX file seperatly at the web site, can someone please send it to me?
>
>I know its included with the latest MPLAB, and I have downloaded the file.
>The problem is that I know if I install the new version of MPL, I will not
>be able to use my programmer untill I upgrade its firmware.  Not true, (or at least not in the permutations I've tried)  - you can
use a programmer with older firmware , but it will keep hassling you
to upgrade. Of course you NEED the new formware to programe the newer devices, but
not to program a new firmware chip. That's the idea anyway, and it has
worked for me.
As an aside, I ALWAYS install a new version of MPLAB in a different
directory so I can still use the old one if there are problems in the
new version - doesn't happen often but I like to be safe!

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2001\04\17@080515 by Alan B. Pearce

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> I know its included with the latest MPLAB, and I have downloaded the file.
> The problem is that I know if I install the new version of MPL, I will not
> be able to use my programmer untill I upgrade its firmware.  Yet, I can
not
> get the firmware file without installing the new version of MPL.  I think
> they should have some provision for allowing the new MPL to communicate
with
> an old version of the programmer just to allow a new programmer firmware
to
> be burned.  $0.02

I think you will find this is only a problem if you wish to burn the newer
devices that have come out since the version of software that is on your
programmer. The problem is not a protocol difference between the programmer
and MPLAB, but a refusal to select a device it knows nothing about.

As the chip in the programmer is an old device, you can use the old software
to program the new software into a replacement device, and hence bootstrap
the programmer into using later devices.

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