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'[PIC]: PicStart Plus'
2001\09\10@191042 by ?=

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   Does anybody know if the cable used in Picstart plus is a "simple serial
cable" or if it has an special configuration?

   Thanks in advance,

   Gonzalo

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2001\09\11@025513 by Jeff DeMaagd

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I think it is a normal pass-through serial cable.  I don;t think I am
using the one that was included with my kit.

Jeff

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>     Does anybody know if the cable used in Picstart plus is a "simple
serial
> cable" or if it has an special configuration?

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2001\09\11@032242 by Ed Heath

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It is a standard straight through cable.

Ed Heath
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>     Does anybody know if the cable used in Picstart plus is a "simple
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2001\09\11@050940 by David VanHorn

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At 06:01 PM 9/10/01 -0500, Gonzalo Jiménez Yamasaki wrote:
>     Does anybody know if the cable used in Picstart plus is a "simple serial
>cable" or if it has an special configuration?

Plain old straight through serial.
That's what I use, it works fine.

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2001\09\11@052948 by Peter Weichel

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Yes it is "simple"

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2001\09\11@060850 by Steven J. Devine

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>     Does anybody know if the cable used in Picstart plus is a "simple serial
> cable" or if it has an special configuration?

Simple straight wired cable.  I 'misplaced' mine and used another with no problems.

Steve

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2001\09\11@082611 by M. Adam Davis

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It is a straight through 9-pin to 9-pin cable.

-Adam

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2001\09\11@111020 by ?=

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   Thanks to all of you...

   Gonzalo


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It is a straight through 9-pin to 9-pin cable.

-Adam

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>    Does anybody know if the cable used in Picstart plus is a "simple
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2001\09\11@230328 by Peter Anderson

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Simple.  Straight through.

Peter H Anderson, http://www.phanderson.com/PIC/

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2001\09\11@233715 by Bob Barr

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Jeff DeMaagd wrote:
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>I think it is a normal pass-through serial cable.  I don;t think I am
>using the one that was included with my kit.
>

I just checked mine. The cable is a straight-through (1-1, 2-2, etc). All
pins are connected.

Regards, Bob


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'[PIC]: Picstart Plus'
2004\08\04@194521 by Grimm, Justin
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Hi Piclisters

2 Questions-

Is it true that Microchip are not issuing firmware upgrades for the picstart plus anymore (without getting an upgrade kit)?

Is the 16F877 and 16F88 supported in the latest firmware?

Thanks
Justin

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2004\08\04@194934 by Tony Nixon

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Grimm, Justin wrote:

>Hi Piclisters
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>2 Questions-
>
>Is it true that Microchip are not issuing firmware upgrades for the picstart plus anymore (without getting an upgrade kit)?
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>
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Not sure, but I just got the firmware upgrade and it works ok. It's a
much better solution as upgrades can now be done without removing and
reprogramming the old 17C chip.

>Is the 16F877 and 16F88 supported in the latest firmware?
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Yes.

regards

Tony

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2004\08\04@200632 by Jinx

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> 2 Questions-

And the answer to one you didn't ask, just in case anyone's
running an older Windows and isn't up to speed with the latest
MPLAB -

MPLAB 6.40 is recommended for 98SE and up. I've a machine
with plain 98 that gives me such a warning whenever MPLAB is
started. It seems to be OK so far but I should upgrade ASAP
anyway

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2004\08\04@201254 by Grimm, Justin

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So the 16f877 is supported in the latest firmware for the OLD picstart
(not the hardware upgrade)?

Thanks
Justin

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2004\08\04@203334 by Jinx

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> So the 16f877 is supported in the latest firmware for the OLD
> picstart (not the hardware upgrade)?

3.11 was the last release for the PSP's 17C44. The Flash kit is
3.40. The F877 has been supported since way back in 2.x

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2004\08\04@203542 by Grimm, Justin

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Thanks

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> So the 16f877 is supported in the latest firmware for the OLD
> picstart (not the hardware upgrade)?

3.11 was the last release for the PSP's 17C44. The Flash kit is
3.40. The F877 has been supported since way back in 2.x

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2004\08\04@204826 by tim s

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i got the upgrade uk003010 kit.
it came with mplab 6.50 cd.
i installed the upgrade module in my picstart along with a clean install of
mplab 6.5(cd)
and then tried to program an 16 f 877.guess what it told me? that there was
an newer
os for the picstartplus so i did a firmware down load and then the thing did
not work.
after some hour or so on tech support they were willing to ship me a new
module.why?
it seems that there is some kind of bug.a  bug i said. the upgrade should be
used with version 6.60
not 6.50 like what was shipped to me.
i should get the new module by friday and let you all know how it does.
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2004\08\04@231721 by Grimm, Justin

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Can I program a serial eeprom with the picstart?

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> So the 16f877 is supported in the latest firmware for the OLD
> picstart (not the hardware upgrade)?

3.11 was the last release for the PSP's 17C44. The Flash kit is
3.40. The F877 has been supported since way back in 2.x

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2004\08\05@001214 by Jinx

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> Can I program a serial eeprom with the picstart?

I don't believe so. The only devices I've ever tried or needed
to program are the micros in the pull-down Configure menu

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2004\08\05@020655 by Jim Robertson

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>Can I program a serial eeprom with the picstart?

Not with any software and firmware Microchip provide.

With the Flash based upgrade module it is possible to write
your own firmware and get the PICSTART Plus to program
serial EEPROMs.

I was seriously about to release my own PUG module that
supported all the common serial EEPROMs, I2C, Microwire,
SPI, 2-Wire etc. Then I heard Microchip were planning
their upgrade module so I shelved plans for my own.

Pity. A lot of work went into it and it was kinda fun to be
programming AVRs with a PICSTART Plus. ;-)

Regards,

Jim Robertson
NEWFOUND ELECTRONICS

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2004\08\05@071507 by Olin Lathrop

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Grimm, Justin wrote:
> Can I program a serial eeprom with the picstart?

Why not look in the documentation instead of asking everyone else?

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2004\08\05@095236 by John Ferrell

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It is more likely you will get a good answer here than in the MicroChip
Docs.

John Ferrell
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2004\08\05@104600 by Olin Lathrop

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John Ferrell wrote:
> It is more likely you will get a good answer here than in the
> MicroChip Docs.

There tend to be no shortage of answers here, but the correct answer comes
from the Microchip documentation.  Lazy people can ask here and have others
read the documentation to them, but for the most reliable answer look it up
yourself.  In this case it's especially easy since the readme file
explicitly lists the supported devices.


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2004\08\05@111133 by Byron A Jeff

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On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 10:45:39AM -0400, Olin Lathrop wrote:
> John Ferrell wrote:
> > It is more likely you will get a good answer here than in the
> > MicroChip Docs.

My response to that is simply: If you can't take the time to read the
given documentation, then why should I take the time to read it for you?

>
> There tend to be no shortage of answers here, but the correct answer comes
> from the Microchip documentation.  Lazy people can ask here and have others
> read the documentation to them, but for the most reliable answer look it up
> yourself.  In this case it's especially easy since the readme file
> explicitly lists the supported devices.

Right on the mark Olin. The situation is so prevalent that Eric Raymond
has actually written a HOWTO guide on the subject:

How to Ask Questions the Smart Way:

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

BAJ

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2004\08\05@115209 by Nigel Orr

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>>> It is more likely you will get a good answer here than in the
>>> MicroChip Docs.
>
> My response to that is simply: If you can't take the time to read the
> given documentation, then why should I take the time to read
> it for you?

The original question didn't ask about microchip devices.  Even if
Microchip know that the picstart could program competitors devices, they
might not support it or document it.  Once you put another device in the
readme, you have to support it too!

In an ideal world, everyone would have a programmer for every device they
used.  However, there are some 'tricks' which hobbyists can use to save
buying a $100 programmer for a single $0.10 part.  I presumed the original
question was about this, often internet discussion groups or usenet are the
only places where such 'tricks' are shared.

Some of the other PIC programmers can program EEPROMs (including the ultra
simple JDM type, IIRC), so IMHO it's not unreasonable for someone with a
Picstart to ask if it could do the same.

The stream of discussion which has followed has certainly wasted more of my
reading time than the original question.  I hope I've added more light than
heat to the discussion :-)

Nigel

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2004\08\05@142229 by John Ferrell

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I cannot deny being lazy.
I believe the term they use in medicine is "off label". Microchip is not
interested in selling programmers, they are interested in selling chips. To
my knowledge, the device does not. However, there are a lot of clever people
here that may have determined an easy mod to fit this "off label" use.

I like the question. There are a lot of questions I delete without reading
for an assortment of reasons.
I will follow this one, I made have need for it at some point in the furure.

John Ferrell
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2004\08\05@180009 by Grimm, Justin

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Point taken

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John Ferrell wrote:
> It is more likely you will get a good answer here than in the
> MicroChip Docs.

There tend to be no shortage of answers here, but the correct answer comes
from the Microchip documentation.  Lazy people can ask here and have others
read the documentation to them, but for the most reliable answer look it up
yourself.  In this case it's especially easy since the readme file
explicitly lists the supported devices.


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