Post by thread:[PIC]: PIC 6, 8 and 14pin MCU pricing info

Hi all, Just want to share some pricing info and thoughts about Microchip MCUs. I've got the quotation for the PIC10Fs based on 10k/year. PIC10F200T-I/OT US$0.360 PIC10F202T-I/OT US$0.430 PIC10F204T-I/OT US$0.430 PIC10F206T-I/OT US$0.490 Some other quotations based on 10k/year. PIC12F675-I/SN US$0.900 PIC12F629-I/SN US$0.710 PIC12F683-I/SN US$0.960 PIC12F635-I/SN US$0.810 PIC12F509T-I/MS US$0.690 PIC16F505T-I/ST US$0.870 PIC16F630T-I/ST US$0.950 PIC16F676T-I/ST US$1.070 PIC16F684T-I/ST US$1.180 The 6-pin 10Fs are very unique device in the market and we are planning to develop some sensor products based on them. The 8-pin counterpart are right now too big because of the x14 core (except 12F509 and 16F505) and analog function blocks. It would be nice Microchip can come out SOT23-8 packaging as well. They have 0.5um CMOS process now and maybe moving to 0.35um will solve the problem. All in all, Microchip has the most extensive low pin MCU portfolios in the market. The major problem for us with the higher pin-count Microchip MCUs is the packaging. It would be ideal that Microchip can come out something like Cygnal 3mmx3mm MLP11 (C8051F300), 4x4 MLP20 (C8051F330). Right now the smallest packaging 20-pin MCU like PIC16F819 is 6x6 ML QFN28, even larger than the Atmel's 5mmx5mm QFN32 for their Atmega8. Even for the 14pin MCUs, Microchip does not have the 4x4 ML QFN version. TSSOP14 is not small. Another problem with Microchip is the pricing, they used to beat everyone in terms of pricing. That was why I choose them 4 year back. Now Atmel and even Freescale start to push the price really low. The problem with Atmel is that they obsolete their MCUs too fast. The problem with Freescale is that the current consumption is too high for us. So I will stick to Microchip right now. The following quotations are also based on 10k/year. Freescale 8-pin MCUs 1 MC68HC908QT1CDW 1.5K FLASH W/O ADC US$0.47 2 MC68HC908QT2CDW 1.5K FLASH W/ADC US$0.5 3 MC68HC908QT4CDW 4K FLASH WITH ADC US$0.54 4 MC68HC908QY1CDT 1.5K FLASH W/O ADC US$0.565 5 MC68HC908QY2CDT 1.5K FLASH W/ADC US$0.69 6 MC68HC908QY4CDT 4K FLASH W/ADC US$0.72 Atmel AVR MCUs 1. AtTiny 2313 QFN32 US$0.59 2. AtTiny 26 QFN32 US$0.74 3. AtMega8 QFN32 US$1.09 4. AtMega48 QFN32 US$0.87 Regards, Xiaofan R&D Engineer, Opto Sensor Development Pepperl+Fuchs (Mfg) Pte. Ltd. http://www.pepperl-fuchs.com Signals for the world of automation ____________________________________________

Jan-Erik Soderholm wrote: > When I saw the first post in this thread, I asked > myself, are not this kind of volume quotations more > or less always followed by a non disclosure notice ? Often, although at such low quantities as 10K it's probably right about at the line. I was still surprised to see someone disclose their quotes though. Note that I didn't disclose the details of quotes for 100K and 1M pieces. > 10k of a specific component doesn't have to have the > same price from one time to another. Or from one > customer to another. That is exactly why they are given under non-disclosure. They don't want customers comparing notes. Personally I think that is a silly business practice and the prices should just be published, but they have the right to do what they are doing. ***************************************************************** Embed Inc, embedded system specialists in Littleton Massachusetts (978) 742-9014, http://www.embedinc.com ____________________________________________

>> 10k of a specific component doesn't have to have the >> same price from one time to another. Or from one >> customer to another. > > That is exactly why they are given under non-disclosure. They don't want > customers comparing notes. Personally I think that is a silly business > practice and the prices should just be published, but they have the right > to > do what they are doing. > And they do know exactly what they are doing. They are splitting their market into many fragments (some as some as a single company, or even a project group within a company) and then maximizing their profit in each submarket. (Think airlines who will charge $$$$$ to business travelers who will pay $$$$$, but only $$ to individuals traveling on their own who can afford to make reservations well in advance). Bob Ammerman RAm Systems ____________________________________________

> When I saw the first post in this thread, I asked > myself, are not this kind of volume quotations more > or less always followed by a non disclosure notice ? Although, 10k is the usual volume for press release pricing. Even if you don't expect to be buying that number, if you want to compare devices across manufacturers, a volume price is more useful than say, Digikey list prices. I do agree though. Whether stated or not, I tend to regard quotes as being a private discussion between parties. Steve. ____________________________________________

Hi all, First I offer sincere apology to Microchip and others who may consider the information inappropriate. I could have not posted it if only I read through the remaining 5 pages of fine print of their quotation. I am really sorry about that. My company is a customer of Microchip and we enjoy the good working relations with them. My company sells sensors and not the chips. My intention is just to give a rough guide of the pricing and I thought that the price itself would vary a lot anyway. Hope this will end the thread and not put me in trouble. Regards, Xiaofan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:51:50 +0300 From: Mike Singer <spam_OUTphystechTakeThisOuTgmail.com> To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." <.....piclistKILLspam@spam@mit.edu> Subject: Re: [PIC]: PIC 6, 8 and 14pin MCU pricing info Olin Lathrop wrote: > I was still surprised to see someone disclose their quotes. Perhaps Mr. Chen Xiao Fan is just trying to help out those who might think that Digikey's prices are too high. He's got some chips in stock. Why he offered it (if this is the case) a bit indirectly? He is working for big trans-continental company. Mike. ____________________________________________