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'[PIC]: P16PRO/PICALL programmer ?'
2002\05\26@140915 by Tal Dayan

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Hello,

Does anybody have good or bad experience with the P16PRO programmer

http://www.picallw.com/hardware.htm

My El Cheapo is very unreliable (can burn a 16F84 once every 15 tries) and
the P16PRO seems to have a more solid design (e.g. decent buffers on all the
LPT lines) and the price is pretty good (about 45$ for PCB, components,
software and power supply).

Thanks,

Tal

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2002\05\26@153248 by Michael Johnston

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Tal
   Why dont you just flop down the $200.oo dollars us and get the pictstart
plus which is supposed to do all the pic families
Mwj
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2002\05\26@154943 by uter van ooijen & floortje hanneman

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> My El Cheapo is very unreliable (can burn a 16F84 once every 15 tries) and
> the P16PRO seems to have a more solid design (e.g. decent buffers on all
the
> LPT lines) and the price is pretty good (about 45$ for PCB, components,
> software and power supply).

$45? Whoooops! I will sell a kit for my Wisp628 programmer for $21 + $7 s/h
per order. It is an in-circuit programmer, without a power supply (draws
from the target circuit). But OK, it has some limitations, like doing flash
PICs only. Check http://www.voti.nl/wisp628

Wouter

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2002\05\26@160336 by Zive

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I build myself and works great, it's very fast.

Zive


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From: "Tal Dayan" <talspamKILLspamZAPTA.COM>
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Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 8:06 PM
Subject: [PIC]: P16PRO/PICALL programmer ?


> Hello,
>
> Does anybody have good or bad experience with the P16PRO programmer
>
> http://www.picallw.com/hardware.htm
>
> My El Cheapo is very unreliable (can burn a 16F84 once every 15 tries) and
> the P16PRO seems to have a more solid design (e.g. decent buffers on all
the
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2002\05\26@171912 by Lyle Hazelwood

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Tal,
I have used the P16pro with 12c508, 16F874,16F876, and 16F877 with no
problems at all.
The only trouble I had was searching the junk bin for a power supply with a
high enough
voltage.

Also, support for the 18F series as been released in beta.
I am patiently waiting for a few chips to arrive so I can test that feature.

Of course, if you use picallw software, you must register it to get
all the features available for all PIC types that are supported.

Good Luck,
Lyle

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2002\05\26@180006 by Nick Veys

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Skip the software, just get the P16Pro kit, and give
http://www.lpilsley.co.uk/ a try.  Has software called "WinPICProg".
Really nice, seems slightly more modern than PICALLw software.  The
website seems offline for a bit but it's been up.  The author even fixed
a bug I found overnight and got me a new copy, quite excellent.

@spam@nickKILLspamspamveys.com | http://www.veys.com/nick

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2002\05\26@190738 by Lyle Hazelwood

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When I try the below link, I'm asked for a login and password.

>----- Original Message -----
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>Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 2:57 PM
>Subject: Re: [PIC]: P16PRO/PICALL programmer ?
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>> Skip the software, just get the P16Pro kit, and give
>> http://www.lpilsley.co.uk/ a try.  Has software called "WinPICProg".
>> Really nice, seems slightly more modern than PICALLw software.  The
>> website seems offline for a bit but it's been up.  The author even fixed
>> a bug I found overnight and got me a new copy, quite excellent.
>>
>> spamBeGonenickspamBeGonespamveys.com | http://www.veys.com/nick

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2002\05\26@202336 by MILAN BASA

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> Hello,
>
> Does anybody have good or bad experience with the P16PRO programmer
>
> http://www.picallw.com/hardware.htm

I am using (home made) P16PRO (HW) , ICPROG (SW) - without problems.

                           Milan
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2002\05\26@230715 by Tal Dayan

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Hi Lyle,

Thanks for the recommendation.

http://www.electronics123.com/amazon/default.htm has a 5$ power supply for
the P16PRO, probably I will get one if going in the P16PRO direction.

Regarding the software:

1. Is it true that programming 16F84 with the PICALL does not require
license (I think I read it somewhere) ?

2. Is there another software that works with P16PRO ?

Thanks,

Tal

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2002\05\26@232335 by Tal Dayan

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This was my first inclination and probably what I
would do in 'normal' situations. ;-)

Tal

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2002\05\27@010635 by Lyle Hazelwood

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From: "Tal Dayan" <spamBeGonetalSTOPspamspamEraseMEZAPTA.COM>
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Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [PIC]: P16PRO/PICALL programmer ?


> Hi Lyle,
Hi Tal,

>
> Thanks for the recommendation.
>
> http://www.electronics123.com/amazon/default.htm has a 5$ power supply for
> the P16PRO, probably I will get one if going in the P16PRO direction.
>
I never gave it a thought until the P16pro was here and assembled. I thought
surely one of the dozens
of old "wall wart" power supplies in my closet would work. Most of them are
12Volt or less though.

I ended up buying a hugely oversized one at Radio Shack, just to get the
voltage I needed.
I did retire an HP printer last week though, and I noticed the power supply
for it is 30VDC,
so I guess I have another option, though 30 is the upper end of the
acceptable range.

> Regarding the software:
>
> 1. Is it true that programming 16F84 with the PICALL does not require
> license (I think I read it somewhere) ?
>
Yes, according to the website. I have not tried it though. It did allow me
to program the
first 256 locations of a PIC12C508 without registration also. I thought it
great that I could
"test drive" with a simple program before paying for the registration.

Of course, if you'll be doing much PIC work, there are better choices than
the 16F84.
Just post a message to this list with "16F84" in the subject line and see
what happens!

> 2. Is there another software that works with P16PRO ?
>

I'm sure there are. I have not had experience with any others though. I
wanted the
cheapest programmer and software that I could count on to work reliably,
figuring
I'd have my hands full fixing my own Hard and Soft bugs. Given those
criteria, I
am quite satisfied with P16pro and Picall for Windows software.

One other option.. Look at the "picall" kit as well. It is more expensive
than the P16Pro,
but the price includes a PIC that is pre-programmed with the software key.
Software registration
is included in the price. Picall also supports more devices.

I have often heard of the P16Pro described as a "David Tait" style
programmer. You might want to
Google with "Tait PIC programmer". I did and got 10 pages of hits.

Finally, the "Standard Disclaimer". In my limited time working with PIC's, I
have seen MANY
options for programmers. Each seems to have it's own advantages and
disadvantages. I can tell
you that I'm happy with the choice I made, but I'd be a fool to say it's the
best choice. I haven't tried
any others, so I can't compare them fairly.  I think there are many good
choices. You have to balance
your needs, budget, and patience against the choices available.

> Thanks,
>
> Tal
>
> > {Original Message removed}

2002\05\27@014854 by Tal Dayan

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Hi Lyle,

Thanks for the info. I just placed an order for a P16PRO and a power supply.
Hope I will
have better experience with it than the El Cheapo (which was very
disappointing).

Tal


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2002\05\27@021642 by Reelf Monsees

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P16PRO and PICALL works just perfect, now you can also program 18F... with PICALL. Otherwise we wouldn't sell these programmers !

regards,
   Reelf

http://www.sywitec.de/

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2002\05\27@021850 by Philip Pemberton

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"Lyle Hazelwood" <@spam@motoman9@spam@spamspam_OUTBELLSOUTH.NET> said:
> When I try the below link, I'm asked for a login and password.
Try http://www.lpilsley.uklinux.net - Nigel is still transferring his domain name;
the UKlinux site is a mirror. Have a look in the Yahoo Groups archive for
the group "jallist" if you want proof :-)

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2002\05\27@023752 by Tal Dayan

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Wink, wink, got the hint ;-)

How do the programmers at
http://www.ewetel.net/~bamberg.monsees/homesywiteceng.htm relate to
P16PRO / PICALL programmers?

BTW, I like the enclosures.

Tal

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2002\05\27@024000 by Mircea Chiriciuc

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Hi Tal,

I am using PICALL software with Propic2 hardware and I'm very pleased with
it. It's programming very fast and it's working under any kind of Windows.
Whit the latest software from http://www.picallw.com you can programm 16f84 and
16f628 for free no more 256 bytes limit.
My advice is to buy the PICALL PCB not PIC16PRO because for the little price
difference you will be able to programm PIC's, AVR's, SCENIX's and serial
EEPROMS. It is only 43$.

Prices
PIC16C62 + PICALL PCB ver3.4 + P&P (world wide) + free updates = $43 USD /
50 EUR
PIC16C62 +                              + P&P (world wide) + free updates =
$38 USD / 44 EUR

How to order?

1.     Payment can be sent in cash or post draft (NO CHECKS or POSTAL MONEY
ORDERS PLEASE) via regular, or Air Mail to the address listed below. This
may take 3-14 days before I receive it, I then send you ordered immediately.
Please email me when you send your order, so I can lock onto your email
address, as it can be very difficult to read email addresses in a letter at
times. To date, I haven't had any problems with the mail system doing
business this way (recommended mail).
Address Payment to: Bojan Dobaj, Betnavska cesta 8, 2000 Maribor, Slovenia,
Europe.

2. You can send money via Western Union Money Transfer to:
Address Payment to: Bojan Dobaj, Betnavska cesta 8, 2000 Maribor, Slovenia,
Europe.
Bank: Nova Ljubljanska banka / Slovenia
Check http://www.westernunion.com/

3.      You can register online via credit card following links at my home
page. PICALL is there available in KIT.

Mircea Chiriciuc
EMCO INVEST

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2002\05\27@114947 by Tal Dayan

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Thanks for the link.

The WinPicProg is available at
http://www.lpilsley.uklinux.net/winpicprog.htm and it seems
to support P16PRO (as well as a very flexible customization facility). Will
give it a try as soon as I get the P16PRO that I ordered.

Tal

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2002\05\27@143701 by Peter L. Peres

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On Mon, 27 May 2002, Lyle Hazelwood wrote:

>----- Original Message -----
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>> Hi Lyle,
>Hi Tal,
>
>> > Thanks for the recommendation. > >
>http://www.electronics123.com/amazon/default.htm has a 5$ power supply
>for > the P16PRO, probably I will get one if going in the P16PRO
>direction. > I never gave it a thought until the P16pro was here and
>assembled. I thought surely one of the dozens of old "wall wart" power
>supplies in my closet would work. Most of them are 12Volt or less though.

Rewire a wall wart for 9V as a doubler (remove two diodes and add a
capacitor like the one already there). See ARRL etc for schematic.

Peter

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2002\05\28@093733 by Byron A Jeff

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On Sun, May 26, 2002 at 11:06:53AM -0700, Tal Dayan wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Does anybody have good or bad experience with the P16PRO programmer
>
> http://www.picallw.com/hardware.htm
>
> My El Cheapo is very unreliable (can burn a 16F84 once every 15 tries) and
> the P16PRO seems to have a more solid design (e.g. decent buffers on all the
> LPT lines) and the price is pretty good (about 45$ for PCB, components,
> software and power supply).

Tal,

I stayed out of the El cheapo discussion since you already had a programmer.
Now I'll step back in. Before you move on elsewhere here are my suggestions:

1) Get a few 16F628 parts. Here's my page that describes why:

http://www.finitesite.com/d3jsys/16F628.html

2) Build my Trivial LVP programmer. One chip. One resisitor. One parallel port.

http://www.finitesite.com/d3jsys

3) Get David Tait's FPP. You can find the address on my TLVP page.

4) Enjoy.

BAJ

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