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'[PIC]: Oshon PIC simulator IDE and programmer'
2004\08\20@194328 by Grimm, Justin

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Has anyone had experience with the above ide. I'm thinking about
purchasing it as it seems very easy to use and comes with some good
features such as a lcd simulator and rs232. Apparently the programmer
software can connect to dontronics DT001 programmer board.

The assembler works reasonably well. How do people find the basic
compiler?

Cheers
Justin
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2004\08\20@213904 by Anthony Toft

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I started out with this, it worked fine for a while, then it quit and I
had any number of troubles with it. I was very impressed with the
simulator (but it _was_ my first experience) and would still consider
buying it if I was in a windows environment. However I could not suggest
the standard programmer, due to the above problems.

The wisp628 on the other hand, that I _can_ recommend (and do) even
though Wouter has done some black magic with the serial comms I _STILL_
don't have mine running, and as far as I can tell it's hooked up
_exactly the same.

On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 19:42, Grimm, Justin wrote:
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2004\08\21@021831 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> The wisp628 on the other hand, that I _can_ recommend (and do) even
> though Wouter has done some black magic with the serial comms
> I _STILL_
> don't have mine running, and as far as I can tell it's hooked up
> _exactly the same.

Which error messages?

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2004\08\21@080540 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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Anthony Toft wrote :

> The wisp628 on the other hand, that I _can_ recommend (and do) even
> though Wouter has done some black magic with the serial comms
> I _STILL_ don't have mine running, and as far as I can tell it's hooked up
> _exactly the same.

I'm not sure what OS you are running, but if it's Windows, you could
always take a look at the native XWisp clone available at http://www.robh.nl.
Look under the "Newest material:" header at the left.
No Python runtime environment needed.

Jan-Erik.

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2004\08\21@133152 by Anthony Toft

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> I'm not sure what OS you are running, but if it's Windows, you could
> always take a look at the native XWisp clone available at http://www.robh.nl.
> Look under the "Newest material:" header at the left.
> No Python runtime environment needed.

Sorry, I was confusing, my Wisp628 is working like a champ, it's my
other circuit with a max232 on it that's not.

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2004\08\22@053427 by Olin Lathrop

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Grimm, Justin wrote:
> Has anyone had experience with the above ide.

Unless you've got a very good reason, and I can't think of one, I would go
with the standard Microchip MPLAB tool suite.  It's free, reasonably good,
supported by Microchip, supports the whole PIC product line, and use by the
vast majority of PIC developers.


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2004\08\22@075456 by Peter van Hoof

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> Grimm, Justin wrote:
>> Has anyone had experience with the above ide.
>
> Unless you've got a very good reason, and I can't think of one, I would go
> with the standard Microchip MPLAB tool suite.  It's free, reasonably good,
> supported by Microchip, supports the whole PIC product line, and use by
> the
> vast majority of PIC developers.

I use it a lot, it's fun, much easier to use than microchip's and the
simulator is extremely high quality.
From your comment I would have to guess you have never tried it. I may sound
like I am advertising
for Oshonsoft here but I do use it for most of my projects.

Here is a what I like about it(and this is by no means complete):

Simulator: Accurate in detail, even all periferals with correct timing for
everything.
(this is unlike what microchip tells you about their simulator)
-a beautifull display of register values and bits in them
-clickable bit and byte values to change their contents
-selectable run speed (slow to fast in several steps)with and without screen
update
-a terminal simulation for testing hardware and even bitbanged serial io
-simulated led displays you can virtually connect to io pins of your chosing
-simulated character lcd  you can virtually connect to io pins of your
chosing
-simulated bit scope function
-simulated generator
-sliders for analog input values
-microcontroller view with live clickable changable pin status
that supports all standard display sizes etc etc....

Built in Basic programming language:
Is non optimizing this might be a disadvantage.
-support for bitbanged / hardware serial io.
-easy writing to character lcd.
It's still a work in progress but i really like using it for quick
prototyping.

And all of this for $19 (for home users like me) a good deal., and you have
nothing to lose (but time), try it for free.

I am not associated with Oshonsoft just like their program.

Peter van Hoof

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2004\08\22@081146 by Peter van Hoof

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My message was a bit messy because of the list's line formatting and a
mistake I made , I'll try again.

> Grimm, Justin wrote:
>> Has anyone had experience with the above ide.
>
> Unless you've got a very good reason, and I can't think of one, I would go
> with the standard Microchip MPLAB tool suite.  It's free, reasonably good,
> supported by Microchip, supports the whole PIC product line, and use by
> the
> vast majority of PIC developers.

I use it a lot, it's fun, much easier to use than microchip's and the
simulator is extremely high quality.
From your comment I would have to guess you have never tried it. I may
sound like I am advertising for Oshonsoft here but I do use it for most of
my projects.

Here is a what I like about it(and this is by no means complete):

Simulator: Accurate in detail, even all periferals with correct timing for
everything. (this is unlike what microchip tells you about their simulator)
-a beautifull display of register values and bits in them
-clickable bit and byte values to change their contents
-selectable run speed (slow to fast in several steps)with and without screen
update
-a terminal simulation for testing hardware and even bitbanged serial io
-simulated led displays you can virtually connect to io pins of your chosing
-simulated character lcd  you can virtually connect to io pins of your
chosing  that supports all standard display sizes
-simulated bit scope function
-simulated generator
-sliders for analog input values
-microcontroller pin view with live clickable changable pin status

Built in Basic programming language:
Is non optimizing this might be a disadvantage.
-support for bitbanged / hardware serial io.
-easy writing to character lcd.
It's still a work in progress but i really like using it for quick
prototyping.

And all of this for $19 (for home users like me) a good deal., and you have
nothing to lose (but time), try it for free.

I am not associated with Oshonsoft just like their program.

Peter van Hoof

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2004\08\22@174758 by Grimm, Justin

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It just seems more visual and easier to use, especially for less experienced programmers such as myself. I think it works well for what I need it for, but will also continue to get used to the mplab simulator.

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