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'[PIC]: Mplab alteratives?'
2003\07\31@143900 by Denny Esterline

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I've been lurking for a while and this is my firt post, please be gentle.
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I might be alone here, but I don't like Mplab. I find the whole process to
be bloated and cumbersome. I was hoping some of you might be able to point
me to an alternative.

I was thinking about using a full featured, syntax highlighting editor
(maybee PFE?) with a command line compiler (I have CCS) and a bootloader
(16f87xA parts). Ultimatly the development model would be more like
paralax's basic stamp software.

Thoughts? Options?

Thanks
Denny Esterline

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2003\07\31@144322 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> I might be alone here, but I don't like Mplab.

Don't feel alone.

> I was thinking about using a full featured, syntax highlighting editor
> (maybee PFE?) with a command line compiler (I have CCS) and a
> bootloader (16f87xA parts).

So what's the problem?

NB the MPLAB package has a command-line assembler (MPASM), so you don't
need to go to C (not that I want to dicourage yoy, I'm a HLL proponent,
although I am addicted to another one).

NB2 the PC software for my Wisp628 has (beside a simple GUI interface) a
command line interface (I seldom use it otherwise). And it will also
interface to my WLoader bootloader.

Wouter van Ooijen

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2003\07\31@145939 by

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Denny Esterline wrote:

> I might be alone here, but I don't like Mplab. I find the whole process to
> be bloated and cumbersome. I was hoping some of you might be able to point
> me to an alternative.

Hm, "bloated and cumbersome" might be strong words.
Or is it the concept of assembly programming that is
the problem ?

Anyway,
I'v just started a project using UltraEdit, the deleopment
environment from Embedinc, the command line tools from
the MPLAB kit (MPASMWIN and MPLINK), and Wisp628/XWisp
for the programming. Works fine so far. I'v done a few
projects in the MPLAB IDE before, and UltraEdit is far
better IMHO. And by using the user configurable "User
Tools", I get "compile" and "flash" as two buttons on
the toolbar in UltraEdit.

Jan-Erik

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2003\07\31@150938 by Denny Esterline

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I guess I was just looking to see what others have done, so that I could
learn from others experiances.

Denny Esterline

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2003\07\31@151316 by Denny Esterline

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It might be my inexperiance with it, but with using the ICD #1- several
windows open, the ICD window takes hold of the serial port, if I want to use
the serial port I have to close the project, ect.

your right "bloated and cumbersome" is probably a little strong, but it
expresses my experiance.

Denny Esterline
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2003\07\31@151530 by Picdude

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I'll agree with you ... somewhat.  I like the command-line version, and actually do this with gpasm under Linux.  Edit with "vi", compile with "gpasm", and program with "pp".  There is a command-line version for Windows that comes with MPLAB.

However, I occassionally go back to MPLAB IDE under Win2k because of the cool simulator.

Cheers,
-Neil.


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'[PIC]: Mplab alteratives?'
2003\08\01@004942 by Adi Linden
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> I was thinking about using a full featured, syntax highlighting editor
> (maybee PFE?)

vim ->  http://www.vim.org/

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2003\08\01@050609 by Nigel Orr

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pic microcontroller discussion list <> wrote on Thursday, July 31, 2003
8:20 PM:

> I'll agree with you ... somewhat.  I like the command-line version,
> and actually do this with gpasm under Linux.  Edit with "vi", compile
> with "gpasm", and program with "pp".

'Me too'... except I program with my Picstart+ with picp.  I type faster
than I point'n'click, so when I want to download new code from the editor,
I type <Esc>:mak<Return>, and off it goes.  There is a button on the
toolbar to do the same.  I'm not sure when PIC assembler made it to the
huge list of syntax highlighted options in gvim (it wasn't there when I
started on linux!), but it's there now!

> However, I occassionally go back to MPLAB IDE under Win2k because of
> the cool simulator.

One of the things I _really_ _really_ like about coding PIC assembler in
linux is that I get to use gpsim, I _far_ prefer it to MPLAB's simulator,
even though it's not 'finished'.

gpsim is much (much much _much_!) faster, more useful windows (eg the
pinout picture), and still loads of functionality I've not even tried (LCD
module etc look fascinating, but I haven't had the time to try them out).

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2003\08\01@055050 by hael Rigby-Jones

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> One of the things I _really_ _really_ like about coding PIC assembler in
> linux is that I get to use gpsim, I _far_ prefer it to MPLAB's simulator,
> even though it's not 'finished'.
>
> gpsim is much (much much _much_!) faster, more useful windows (eg the
> pinout picture), and still loads of functionality I've not even tried (LCD
> module etc look fascinating, but I haven't had the time to try them out).
>
Have you tried the 32 bit MPLAB simulator?  Still doesn't have all the bells
and whistles of gpsim, but it at least runs at the decent speed.
Conversely, HiTech's "HiTide" simulator has all the bells and whistles, but
runs like cold treacle if you try to use them.  Perhaps because it's written
totally in Java, or maybe just because it's not fully finished.

Mike


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2003\08\01@063240 by Martijn van Aartrijk

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I was wondering whether or not someone has ever contemplated the idea of
developing applications for the PIC from the Eclipse platform
(http://www.eclipse.org). Since it's relatively easy to write a plug-in for
Eclipse, I wonder if something like this has been done: I'd switch in
no-time if anything like that was available, and programming the PIC
through the ICD(2) could be done in a reasonably straightforward way.

Regards,

Martijn
Amsterdam, The Netherlands

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2003\08\02@105435 by Chuck Hellebuyck

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Any of the free editors will do some of what you describe.
UltraEdit
CodeDesigner
MCStudio (http://www.mecanique.co.uk/code-studio/index.html)

This last one is popular with the PicBasic crowd since it does what you
describe and makes an easy interface similar to the Basic Stamps. In
fact it has a one button compile and program using your programmer or a
bootloader.
I use it with PicBasic but I'm sure it will work with CCS C.

What MPLAB does offer is ability to step through your code and watch
the registers,etc. MCStudio offers that as a costly add-on for Flash
parts. The MBasic compiler from BasicMicro offers this for all PICs.
They both offer BASIC command step by step execution in-circuit.

I can write, compile, program, and run in debug mode step by step or
run to breakpoints. Its great. This has replaced MPLAB for me.


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