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'[PIC]: Meta-netminder for PICs?'
2000\09\15@220433 by Mark Willis

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(We've all used netmind.com to watch web pages, I presume?)

Would anyone else on the list like a "what's changed" post-at-a-glance
capability on the list?  Sort of an intelligent netmind output, filtered
through a human.

What I'm thinking is having one or more people take on the job of
posting to the list when anything relevant like MPASM, MPLAB, GPSIM,
etc. change to a significant degree.  (Probably don't need to track
GPSim, come to think of it - you guys do a good job of posting updates
to the PICList.)

The recent Firmware Upgrades thread got me thinking that it's so
annoying to have to either run out and sic netmind on many web pages
(for each of us on the list), etc.

Something like:
---  Begin Sample  ---
Subject: Meta-NetMind:  Changes

The firmware for the PicStart Plus has changed from version 2.0 to
version 2.01;  Download this from one of these links:

www.microchip.com/Download/Tools/PICmicro/Program/picstart/psfw201.zip
ftp://www.microchip.com/Download/Tools/PICmicro/Program/picstart/psfw201.zip
ftp://ftp2.microchip.com/Download/Tools/PICmicro/Program/picstart/psfw201.zip
ftp://ftp3.microchip.com/Download/Tools/PICmicro/Program/picstart/psfw201.zip
ftp://ftp4.microchip.com/Download/Tools/PICmicro/Program/picstart/psfw201.zip

Size: 21k

(Alternately e-mail spam_OUTmwillisTakeThisOuTspamfoxinternet.net and I'll e-mail it to you.)
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Opinions?

 Mark

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2000\09\18@111449 by jamesnewton

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I like the idea...

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2000\09\18@112303 by Andrew Kunz

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I like it too, as long as it isn't M$-centric.

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I like the idea...

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2000\09\18@114844 by M. Adam Davis

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Well, I don't like the idea all that much.  I subscribe to the microchip mailing
lists as needed.  They do a great job of keeping my updated, and I feel that
were one to keep adding new functions to the piclist it would become overly
bloated and less useful.  Freeping Creaturism.

Rather than trying to make one list into everything everyone wants, why not
allow individuals to subscribe to the other lists that are available which are
better at what they do?

If needed one could create an online archive of the microchip mailing lists, or
their own announcment list.  A searchable archive is the only reason I can see
to adding these lists to the piclist.  But that can (and should) be archived
seperately, with an interface that allows one to search one or the other or both
at a time.

If you must add this sort of thing to the list, I would rather you just
subscribe the list to all of the microchip lists.  This eliminates one more
error-prone step.  We would have multiple messages when one change applies to
several microchip products, but the list server would probably filter them out.

I suppose I have a little of the "Do one thing and do it well" philosophy.  I
would rather be signed on to 50 very targetted lists than one list which covers
100% of the spectrum (shotgun approach to solving the problem).  I doubt that
more than 20% of the microchip change notices will apply to more then 80% of the
list.

-Adam

James Newton wrote:
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> I like the idea...
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2000\09\18@115853 by jamesnewton

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Isn't the point that we could filter the notices and only post the ones that
really apply? And we could tag them correctly so that memory, analog or
non-pic microchip devices would be under [EE] and only pic related releases
would be under [PIC]. People can filter what they want via
http://www.piclist.com#topics
and we can be very consistent with the subject line so that people can find
filter or sort these news releases even further locally.

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2000\09\18@124907 by Andy Howard

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I like this idea, and if it's human-moderated then it would solve the
problem of multiple upgrade notices from Microchip. Not that it's too much
of a problem since they only arrive in flurries a few times a year.

I'm assuming you're planning to include other things beyond Microchip stuff,
e.g. popular compilers, bootloaders, etc.

Hmmm, now I come to think of it there could be quite a lot of info
available.  You could give it a distinct tag so that folks who don't want it
can zap it.

Alternatively you could possibly run a separate list for announcements of
new products and upgrades for all things Pictish.





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Subject: [PIC]: Meta-netminder for PICs?


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2000\09\18@211858 by Mark Willis

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Condensed from multiple messages:

Andrew Kunz wrote:
> I like it too, as long as it isn't M$-centric.
>
> Andy

MicroSoft or MicroChip?  <G>  I won't object to mentioning Gnuish tools
in the updates if the folks writing those don't <G>  As a severely
Dos-centric guy for the most part, expect PTSDos- or FreeDos-friendly
tools being mentioned (Don't feel like carrying a generator so I can run
Windoze, usually.)  Heading for Linux anyways, partially anyways.

James Newton wrote:
> Isn't the point that we could filter the notices and only post the ones that
> really apply? And we could tag them correctly so that memory, analog or
> non-pic microchip devices would be under [EE] and only pic related releases
> would be under [PIC]. People can filter what they want via
> http://www.piclist.com#topics
> and we can be very consistent with the subject line so that people can find
> filter or sort these news releases even further locally.
<snip>
> M. Adam Davis wrote:
> > Well, I don't like the idea all that much.  I subscribe to the microchip
> > mailing
> > lists as needed.  They do a great job of keeping my updated, and I feel that
> > were one to keep adding new functions to the piclist it would become overly
> > bloated and less useful.  Freeping Creaturism.

I'd thought of using a standardized subject line - "[EE]: Meta-NetMind
Changes for January, 2001", or something like that.  People could
further filter in their e-mail client so "Meta-NetMind" would be
filtered out at their e-mail client (though they'd still be 'stuck' with
downloading the messages.)  Unless we make a "[Meta]:" or "[Announce]:"
tag just for this purpose, subject-level filtering isn't "optimal" for
this as a 17Fxxx part's changing would still be posted to those merely
interested in 12cxxx parts, but the same's true now on all similar
posts.  Make it weekly to monthly, certainly not daily unless someone
else's doing this - which would be fine with me!  <G>

Andy Howard wrote:
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Definitely lots of tools change on a per-month basis, lots of web pages
that change (It's going to be a medium job to track all this.  As if I'm
not already busy <G>)  New Pic Programmer firmware availability, new
MPLab or other IDE releases or revisions, compilers, popular
programmers' editors, anything more than one or two people use <G>

Could be a separate list alternately, sure - I can make a mailing list
through NetScape here or go hit e-groups or ???, easily enough,
alternately.

 Mark

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2000\09\19@042710 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Unless we make a "[Meta]:" or "[Announce]:"
>tag just for this purpose,
Surely the appropriate tag would be [UP]: This could then be taken to mean "UPgrade" or "Micro(U)Processor" according to how you like the flavour of the contents.

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