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'[PIC]: MPLab in Win2000'
2002\09\09@095719 by Hazelwood Lyle

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Greetings,

I have upgraded from Win98 to Win2000 at work,
and I'm having a bit of trouble getting MPLAB 5.60.00 working right.

It is VERY slow to start, and then opens with
none of my previous settings, complaining that
it cannot write registry.dat.

Company policy is clear that I cannot logon as
administrator, though if I know what to ask for
I can probably get her over here to fix this.

Any suggestions? I have tried reading the MPLAB
manual, it only states that you need admin
priveledge to install, it says nothing about needing
it to use the program.

I'm also having trouble reaching the parallel port
with (registered) Picallw.

Any suggestions greatly appreciated.

(Hmm, tagged properly, plain text format, version
info included, mention of my own attempt to find the
info, dead fish waving slowly in a counter-clockwise
direction.. I think I'm covered!)

Thanks,
Lyle

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2002\09\09@102432 by Alan B. Pearce

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>dead fish waving slowly in a counter-clockwise
>direction.. I think I'm covered!)

Not quite - you don't say it is floating belly up :))

My reaction is to annoy the system administrators as often as possible over
this sort of stuff. :) If they will not allow admin rights on your machine,
they can earn their money on their feet. I can understand where company
policy comes from, but sometimes a reminder about the pain it causes is
needed :)

I believe this is quite a problem where not having admin rights on the
machine when installing creates this sort of hassle. I'm lucky in that I
have admin rights on the individual machines I deal with so don't have the
problems you are seeing. As a result of this MPLAB runs fine on these (2 x
W2k, and one WinXP).

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2002\09\09@104343 by Hazelwood Lyle

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Alan B. Pearce [spam_OUTA.B.PearceTakeThisOuTspamRL.AC.UK]
>Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 10:24 AM
>To: .....PICLISTKILLspamspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: [PIC]: MPLab in Win2000



>My reaction is to annoy the system administrators as often as possible
over
>this sort of stuff. :) If they will not allow admin rights on your
machine,
>they can earn their money on their feet. I can understand where company
>policy comes from, but sometimes a reminder about the pain it causes is
>needed :)
>
I'm not accustomed to being limited by my operating system. Moving to
Windows
two years ago was rough enough, now moving on to "Windows May I?"
>
>I believe this is quite a problem where not having admin rights on the
>machine when installing creates this sort of hassle.
The program was installed by Admin. However it is being operated by the
lowly
head programmer (me), who obviously doesn't understand things well
enough to be
trusted.

>I'm lucky in that I
>have admin rights on the individual machines I deal with so don't have
the
>problems you are seeing. As a result of this MPLAB runs fine on these
(2 x
>W2k, and one WinXP).
>

Once installed (with admin), will MPLAB work for a lesser user login
status?
More specifically, can it change basic project settings and stuff? I'm sure I can get her over here to fix something if it's fixable.

TIA,
Lyle

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2002\09\09@104536 by M. Adam Davis

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Chances are a reinstall will fix it.  I have my suspicions that the
install is different based on the target machine (registry settings,
dlls, etc)  You do have install under admin rights, though, so get your
admin over their to install it for you.

-Adam

Hazelwood Lyle wrote:

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2002\09\09@105203 by M. Adam Davis

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Alan B. Pearce wrote:

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As admin for a small company I wish I could prevent them from installing
software.  Several of the computers have gator installed as an
aftereffect of a 'free' (read - very costly in my time) screensaver, and
host multiple adware programs and utilities, few of which are used more
than once after being installed.

Obviously smart employees can avoid all that extra crud, but in a large
company it becomes difficult to sort out who is smart and who is not.
Furthermore a blanket policy is easier to train and enforce.  You dont
get "Fred can install whatever he wants, why can't I?" where "Because
you are not as thoughtful as fred." results in major problems.  And even
smart users do dumb things.

There are multiple other reasons, of course, but the result is the same
- less time maintaining, more time improving.

-Adam

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2002\09\09@105811 by Alan B. Pearce

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>It is VERY slow to start, and then opens with
>none of my previous settings, complaining that
>it cannot write registry.dat.

I suspect this is the basis of your problem. You may have to get it
installed under your logon, with temporary admin rights on your logon. I
suspect what is happening is that the registry entries are "owned" by the
admin logon, and not allowed to be altered by your logon.

>The program was installed by Admin. However it is being operated by the
>lowly head programmer (me), who obviously doesn't understand things well
>enough to be trusted.

Time to get your own laptop not on the network :)))

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2002\09\09@142208 by Bob Ammerman

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I am running MPLAB 5.62 under Win2000.

I installed it as Administrator, but use it as a 'power user'.

No problems.

Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems

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2002\09\09@151221 by Nelson Hochberg

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I use MPLAB as a power user -- works fine after installing as admin.  Under
admin, you need to uninstall, reboot to admin, install, reboot to admin.
Then everything will be fine - unless the dos is a Microsoft product in
which case "fine" is a coin flip.

> I have upgraded from Win98 to Win2000 at work,
> and I'm having a bit of trouble getting MPLAB
> 5.60.00 working right.

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2002\09\10@051732 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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And of course the other benefits such as causing frustration to the "smart"
employee's and reducing their productivity in the process.  Unless of course
you have a support system that will always be beside a users desk within 5
minutes of a phone call.  I had to fight to get admin rights, and eventualy
I had to use slightly devious means to get it, but it has saved me AND the
IT department countless hours of time in the last few years.

I can only agree with Alan, contact them at every available opportunity to
install software for you.  Hopefully they will get the message that you
aren't an "average user" and that you can be trusted with admin rights.  If
they don't you can at least get some small satisfaction that you are making
their job as infuriating as yours.

Regards

Mike

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2002\09\11@005844 by Kari Lehikko

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> >I believe this is quite a problem where not having admin rights on the
> >machine when installing creates this sort of hassle.
>
> The program was installed by Admin. However it is being operated by the
> lowly
> head programmer (me), who obviously doesn't understand things well
> enough to be
> trusted.

I don't trust myself enough to use my work computer with administrator
rights! I am running both MPLAB 5.7 and 6.0 with normal user account
with no problems. Only thing that has to be done is to change the rights
of the directory "Program Files\MPLAB" so that everyone has all the
rights.

HTH,

Kari Lehikko

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