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2000\06\27@140012 by WF

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Hello

Which is the Less Expensive PIC of Market? (Not with 8 Pins)...

Miguel Wisintainer

2000\06\27@141004 by smerchock, Steve

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The PIC16C505 is a inexpensive PIC.
On board RC oscillator 14 PDIP package.
1K of program memory.
72 bytes of RAM.
12 I/O PORTS.

Check price in large QTY. Should be pretty cheap.


Best regards,
Steve


Steven Kosmerchock
Radio Frequency Systems
Phoenix  Arizona  USA
http://www.rfsworld.com



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Hello

Which is the Less Expensive PIC of Market? (Not with 8 Pins)...

Miguel Wisintainer

2000\06\27@143353 by Marcelo Yamamoto

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Hi Miguel,
PIC16C505 is the most inexpensive non 8 pin Microchip's MCU and it is largely
used in Brazil too.
But it has only 11 I/O pins... RB3 is a input only pin.

Marcelo Y.

Steve wrote:
>The PIC16C505 is a inexpensive PIC.
>On board RC oscillator 14 PDIP package.
>1K of program memory.
>72 bytes of RAM.
>12 I/O PORTS.
>
>Check price in large QTY. Should be pretty cheap.

2000\06\27@145848 by WF

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I will need 2000 pieces...

Miguel
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2000\06\27@152341 by Bennett, Matt
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I'm waiting on a quote right now (from our distributor) for 10,000 parts of
16C505, 20MHz, commercial temperature range- his unofficial guess was around
$1.00 (US) per.

Matt Bennett

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2000\06\27@153314 by John Perkinton

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Pic your nose!!! :)

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Hello

Which is the Less Expensive PIC of Market? (Not with 8 Pins)...

Miguel Wisintainer

2000\06\27@163344 by WF

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Here i got from U$1,43...

Miguel
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> I'm waiting on a quote right now (from our distributor) for 10,000 parts
of
> 16C505, 20MHz, commercial temperature range- his unofficial guess was
around
> $1.00 (US) per.
>
> Matt Bennett
>
> {Original Message removed}

2000\06\28@012447 by Tsvetan Usunov

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The Less Expensive PICs are those not manufactured by Microchip :)

Tsvetan
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PCB prototypes for $26 at http://run.to/pcb

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2000\06\28@023258 by Dr. Imre Bartfai

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On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Kosmerchock, Steve wrote:

> The PIC16C505 is a inexpensive PIC.
> On board RC oscillator 14 PDIP package.
> 1K of program memory.
> 72 bytes of RAM.
> 12 I/O PORTS.
  2 level return stack :-((
 33 instructions       :-((
 12 bit-word
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2000\06\28@062728 by Vladimir Farushev

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Hi!

just find PIC core in VHDL for FPGA!
maybe it's less expensive PIC if you need not only mcu but some sort of
extra logic

Good luck
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2000\06\28@083008 by WF

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:)

Are you sure?
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2000\06\28@083011 by WF

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Bad for that don't use C...
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2000\06\28@143633 by Tsvetan Usunov

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> >:)
> >
> >Are you sure?
> ...............
> >I decided to use the HOLTEK for my application, i got one for U$0,40, in
> >2000 quantities
>

I see you found out that I'm right !

Tsvetan
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PCB prototypes for $26 at http://run.to/pcb

2000\06\28@195429 by Jay.R.Vijay-Indra

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I have a VHDL code for PIC microcontroller and I have implemented on Xilinx
FPGA. For the basic 16c57 it takes around 344 LCA's on 4000 series. Even
with the smallest FPGA (SPARTAN series) it will cost $5.00 to $7.00. then
there is EEPROM to load the FPGA ($3.00 to $5.00).

If you are looking for PIC type microcontroller at 2/3 of MICROCHIP price
or less, take look at HOLTEK series of microcontrollers.

HT48C10 (18 pin DIL) RISC type microcontroller

2.4V to 5.2V operating voltage
On-Chip X-tal and RC oscillator
One external INT
WDT
2 8bit counters + one 16bit counter or 2 16bit counters
1k*14 ROM
64*8 RAM + 64*8 internal register RAM
HALT/WAKE function
14bit TABLE read function
2 level subroutine nesting
63 instructions

UNDER £0.60 for 1K.

I have been using PIC controllers for about 8 years, now I am moving from
PIC to HOLTEK products with greate sadness. Technically and development
support MICROCHIP has been greate but the product price keep on creaping up.

With HOLTEK I get an ICE + C-complier + IDE software for Under £150.00
($225.00) (MICROCHIP £1200.00)

HOLTEK Silicon is atleast 1/3 less than PIC even on 1off price.


CHECK their WEB  http://www.holtek.com

Regards,

Jay
Xilinx consultant





At 14:04 28/06/00 +0400, you wrote:
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2000\06\29@015427 by Tsvetan Usunov

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>If you are looking for PIC type microcontroller at 2/3 of MICROCHIP price
>or less, take look at HOLTEK series of microcontrollers.
>
>
>I have been using PIC controllers for about 8 years, now I am moving from
>PIC to HOLTEK products with greate sadness. Technically and development
>support MICROCHIP has been greate but the product price keep on creaping
up.
>
>With HOLTEK I get an ICE + C-complier + IDE software for Under #150.00
>($225.00) (MICROCHIP #1200.00)
>
>HOLTEK Silicon is atleast 1/3 less than PIC even on 1off price.

Holtek is not the only one PIC cloner.
In 1999 we had visit from the Microchip's South European Sales office and
we discuss about them.
They claimed that the Taiwan court already have closed few Holtek Fabs, but
new ones have been opened immediately under different names.
We discussed they price policy and my question was why they keep the pirces
in Europe so high for volume quantities - we always get better quotations
for Microchip's products from Asian distributors. The answer was some
mumbling about the different market segments and so on, but actually I got
that they just trying to charge as much as they can so in the different
regions the prices are different. In Asia the competition and the volumes
are in times bigger than in Europe, so they can't sell there expensive.
Another issue is that the Asian stockists and distributors work with
smaller commissioning than the European ones.
BTW the price of original Microchip's PIC16C505 have to be around $0,45 in
volume - for compare the PIC cloner we use sells PIC16C56 at this price.

Keeping the prices high is the best way to grow up your competition.
It was very surprising for me to understood that the old and ugly PIC16C5X
series makes the main share in Microchip sales.

Tsvetan
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PCB prototypes for $26 at http://run.to/pcb

2000\06\29@080241 by WF

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Who manufacture the ICE + C-complier + IDE software?

I'm will produce 1000 boards month, and U$1,00 makes difference...

Miguel Wisintainer

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Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [PIC]: LESS EXPENSIVE PIC


I have a VHDL code for PIC microcontroller and I have implemented on Xilinx
FPGA. For the basic 16c57 it takes around 344 LCA's on 4000 series. Even
with the smallest FPGA (SPARTAN series) it will cost $5.00 to $7.00. then
there is EEPROM to load the FPGA ($3.00 to $5.00).

If you are looking for PIC type microcontroller at 2/3 of MICROCHIP price
or less, take look at HOLTEK series of microcontrollers.

HT48C10 (18 pin DIL) RISC type microcontroller

2.4V to 5.2V operating voltage
On-Chip X-tal and RC oscillator
One external INT
WDT
2 8bit counters + one 16bit counter or 2 16bit counters
1k*14 ROM
64*8 RAM + 64*8 internal register RAM
HALT/WAKE function
14bit TABLE read function
2 level subroutine nesting
63 instructions

UNDER #0.60 for 1K.

I have been using PIC controllers for about 8 years, now I am moving from
PIC to HOLTEK products with greate sadness. Technically and development
support MICROCHIP has been greate but the product price keep on creaping up.

With HOLTEK I get an ICE + C-complier + IDE software for Under #150.00
($225.00) (MICROCHIP #1200.00)

HOLTEK Silicon is atleast 1/3 less than PIC even on 1off price.


CHECK their WEB  http://www.holtek.com

Regards,

Jay
Xilinx consultant





At 14:04 28/06/00 +0400, you wrote:
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2000\06\29@091247 by D Lloyd

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With regards to.......

"I have been using PIC controllers for about 8 years, now I am moving from
PIC to HOLTEK products with greate sadness. Technically and development
support MICROCHIP has been greate but the product price keep on creaping up.

With HOLTEK I get an ICE + C-complier + IDE software for Under #150.00
($225.00) (MICROCHIP #1200.00)

HOLTEK Silicon is atleast 1/3 less than PIC even on 1off price.

CHECK their WEB  http://www.holtek.com

Regards,

Jay
Xilinx consultant"

Hi

Am I right in saying that Holtek don't do a part with a uart ?

Regards,

Dan

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