Post by thread:[PIC]: Kill the 16F84? (was: "Getting started")

> 4. Get a couple of PIC16F84's from Digikey http://www.digikey.com Most > people learn on this chip first. I'll strongly disagree with this. I'd get a PIC16F87x chip of some sort (I like the 876). This is a much more capable chip than the F84, and you don't have to try to use every feature up front. Is it time to kill the venerable 16F84? This has been the beginner's PIC of Choice, largely because of easy availablity, low price, reprogrammability, and a large number of free tools (zero-part programmers and the like.) But these days there are newer flash PICs that are more featureful, more modern, and *CHEAPER* as well. All we need to do is update all those tools and net-documentation, right? BillW -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email spam_OUTlistservTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

{Quote hidden}> -----Original Message----- > From: pic microcontroller discussion list > [.....PICLISTKILLspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of William Chops Westfield > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 13:01 > To: PICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: [PIC]: Kill the 16F84? (was: "Getting started") > > > > 4. Get a couple of PIC16F84's from Digikey http://www.digikey.com Most > > people learn on this chip first. > > I'll strongly disagree with this. I'd get a PIC16F87x chip of > some sort > (I like the 876). This is a much more capable chip than the > F84, and you > don't have to try to use every feature up front. > > Is it time to kill the venerable 16F84? This has been the beginner's PIC > of Choice, largely because of easy availablity, low price, > reprogrammability, and a large number of free tools (zero-part programmers > and the like.) But these days there are newer flash PICs that are more > featureful, more modern, and *CHEAPER* as well. I don't think so. While the other chips are good and featurefull they are also huge. The 84 isn't tiny, but it is enough for many projects that just don't require a 40 pin monster. Just my opinion. I for one wish the 12C series would introduce a few flash parts, it would be sweet to have an 8 pin flash part. TTYL -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email .....listservKILLspam.....mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

Hi- 8 pin flash part is coming this summer: F010 - lots of good stuff in it - based on 18 series: deeper stack, faster, multiplier - yum yum :-) Also, some of the 87x series are only 28 pin, still bigger than the '84, but more useful i/o. Also, 628 is cheaper than the '84, pin compatible, has more memory, and you can disable MCLR, clock pins, and get more i/o. Just need to disable the analog comparitors to be '84 compatible. David (the future is bright :-) Herbert Graf wrote: > > {Original Message removed}

> Hi- > 8 pin flash part is coming this summer: F010 - lots of good stuff in it - based > on 18 series: deeper stack, faster, multiplier - yum yum :-) > Also, some of the 87x series are only 28 pin, still bigger than the '84, but > more useful i/o. > Also, 628 is cheaper than the '84, pin compatible, has more memory, and you can > disable MCLR, clock pins, and get more i/o. Just need to disable the analog > comparitors to be '84 compatible. > David (the future is bright :-) Yeah, I would say the F84 has already been killed by the F627/F628, I just wish they did ICD. Bob Ammerman RAm Systems (contract development of high performance, high function, low-level software) -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email EraseMElistservspam_OUTTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

> > Is it time to kill the venerable 16F84? > > I don't think so. While the other chips are good and featurefull they > are also huge. The 84 isn't tiny, but it is enough for many projects that > just don't require a 40 pin monster. I was thinking of the 16F872 (ICD/etc, 28 pin packages) and the 16F62x (18 pin packages, recently discussed here.) Both are cheaper (from digikey, in ones) than the 16F84x's. Even the 16F873 is close... BillW -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listservspam_OUTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

David P. Harris wrote: > > Hi- > 8 pin flash part is coming this summer: F010 - lots of good stuff in it - based > on 18 series: deeper stack, faster, multiplier - yum yum :-) > Also, some of the 87x series are only 28 pin, still bigger than the '84, but > more useful i/o. > Also, 628 is cheaper than the '84, pin compatible, has more memory, and you can > disable MCLR, clock pins, and get more i/o. Just need to disable the analog > comparitors to be '84 compatible. > David (the future is bright :-) And don't forget the 16F85 and 16F86, more yum yum! :o) -ROman -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList @spam@piclist-unsubscribe-requestKILLspammitvma.mit.edu

> I for one wish the 12C > series would introduce a few flash parts, it would be sweet to have an 8 pin > flash part. Microchip is coming out with 8 pin 18F parts. Don't know about price, though. ******************************************************************** Olin Lathrop, embedded systems consultant in Littleton Massachusetts (978) 742-9014, KILLspamolinKILLspamembedinc.com, http://www.embedinc.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList RemoveMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu