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'[PIC]: Kill the 16F84? (was: "Getting started")'
2001\03\21@125954 by Bill Westfield

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   > 4.  Get a couple of PIC16F84's from Digikey http://www.digikey.com Most
   > people learn on this chip first.

   I'll strongly disagree with this. I'd get a PIC16F87x chip of some sort
   (I like the 876). This is a much more capable chip than the F84, and you
   don't have to try to use every feature up front.

Is it time to kill the venerable 16F84?  This has been the beginner's PIC
of Choice, largely because of easy availablity, low price,
reprogrammability, and a large number of free tools (zero-part programmers
and the like.)  But these days there are newer flash PICs that are more
featureful, more modern, and *CHEAPER* as well.

All we need to do is update all those tools and net-documentation, right?

BillW

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2001\03\21@202655 by Herbert Graf

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    I don't think so. While the other chips are good and featurefull they
are also huge. The 84 isn't tiny, but it is enough for many projects that
just don't require a 40 pin monster. Just my opinion. I for one wish the 12C
series would introduce a few flash parts, it would be sweet to have an 8 pin
flash part. TTYL

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2001\03\21@204538 by David P. Harris

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Hi-
8 pin flash part is coming this summer: F010 - lots of good stuff in it - based
on 18 series: deeper stack, faster, multiplier - yum yum :-)
Also, some of the 87x series are only 28 pin, still bigger than the '84, but
more useful i/o.
Also, 628 is cheaper than the '84, pin compatible, has more memory,  and you can
disable MCLR, clock pins, and get more i/o.  Just need to disable the analog
comparitors to be '84 compatible.
David (the future is bright :-)

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2001\03\21@210845 by Bob Ammerman

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> Hi-
> 8 pin flash part is coming this summer: F010 - lots of good stuff in it -
based
> on 18 series: deeper stack, faster, multiplier - yum yum :-)
> Also, some of the 87x series are only 28 pin, still bigger than the '84,
but
> more useful i/o.
> Also, 628 is cheaper than the '84, pin compatible, has more memory,  and
you can
> disable MCLR, clock pins, and get more i/o.  Just need to disable the
analog
> comparitors to be '84 compatible.
> David (the future is bright :-)

Yeah, I would say the F84 has already been killed by the F627/F628, I just
wish they did ICD.

Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems
(contract development of high performance, high function, low-level
software)

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2001\03\21@212446 by Bill Westfield
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> > Is it time to kill the venerable 16F84?
>
> I don't think so. While the other chips are good and featurefull they
> are also huge. The 84 isn't tiny, but it is enough for many projects that
> just don't require a 40 pin monster.

I was thinking of the 16F872 (ICD/etc, 28 pin packages) and the 16F62x (18
pin packages, recently discussed here.)  Both are cheaper (from digikey, in
ones) than the 16F84x's.  Even the 16F873 is close...

BillW

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2001\03\22@061914 by Roman Black

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David P. Harris wrote:
>
> Hi-
> 8 pin flash part is coming this summer: F010 - lots of good stuff in it - based
> on 18 series: deeper stack, faster, multiplier - yum yum :-)
> Also, some of the 87x series are only 28 pin, still bigger than the '84, but
> more useful i/o.
> Also, 628 is cheaper than the '84, pin compatible, has more memory,  and you can
> disable MCLR, clock pins, and get more i/o.  Just need to disable the analog
> comparitors to be '84 compatible.
> David (the future is bright :-)


And don't forget the 16F85 and 16F86, more yum yum!
:o)
-ROman

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2001\03\22@081819 by Olin Lathrop

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> I for one wish the 12C
> series would introduce a few flash parts, it would be sweet to have an 8
pin
> flash part.

Microchip is coming out with 8 pin 18F parts.  Don't know about price,
though.


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