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2001\01\26@035911 by D Lloyd

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Hi,

On the vein of the French bloke, I always thought the best car "alarm"
would be to modify your rear view mirror so that it refracted light almost
like a glitterball (you know, one of those things you see hanging up above
dance floors) and install a hidden, reasonably powered laser somewhere
around the back parcel shelf.

Thief breaks in, tries to start the car, laser kicks in, thief gets blinded
via the mirror......they are now going nowhere....neither is your
car.....or anybody elses car!

The big advantage is that you can give them (typically, pimply youth) a
good kicking when you get back to your car and find them crawling around on
the floor complaining that its 'all gone dark'........

I wonder if there is a British Standard covering the laser
requirements......Although, I doubt this would get CE marked ;-)

Dan

PS: Remember, kids, don't try this at home.

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2001\01\26@063842 by steve

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> On the vein of the French bloke, I always thought the best car "alarm"
> would be to modify your rear view mirror so that it refracted light almost
> like a glitterball (you know, one of those things you see hanging up above
> dance floors) and install a hidden, reasonably powered laser somewhere
> around the back parcel shelf.

I don't know why you would bother with a laser when you have all
the elements of an entertaining theft deterent already in the car.
A bit of extra HT lead from the coil tower to a bit of foil just under
the drivers seat cover. Who's going to prosecute you ?
I just happened to be sitting in that mans car and turning the key ?

Damn that's tempting.
:-)

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2001\01\26@064934 by mike

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On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:10:30 +0000, you wrote:

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My favorite idea is a steel cable round the window frames, with a
motor drive  - scumbag breaks window, reaches in, cable tighens round
arm/head. Depending on requirements, motor torque can be set to
'detain' or 'amputate' mode.
With some ingenuity you may even be able to use the power window
motor....
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2001\01\26@065342 by Alan B. Pearce

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>I don't know why you would bother with a laser when you have all
>the elements of an entertaining theft deterent already in the car.
>A bit of extra HT lead from the coil tower to a bit of foil just under
>the drivers seat cover. Who's going to prosecute you ?
>I just happened to be sitting in that mans car and turning the key ?

You will always get in your car with some kitchen foil down the back of your
pants, and an earthwire coming out from it I assume ;))

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2001\01\26@100038 by Lawrence Lile

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Were I the French bloke with the knife actuated seat, I'd have constipation
from worrying about a false alarm while I was driving my own car!

Around here, the problem is not stealing cars, but break-ins and stealing
stereos.  This is usually accomplished by prying on the dashboard with a big
crowbar.  I would think a good car security system would disable key
functions (like the ignition or the distributor) while turning on lots of
lights and horns.

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2001\01\26@100653 by Don Hyde

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How about a robot-voice module that says "POISON GAS BEING RELEASED"
accompanied by hissing noise and greenish vapors from under the dash.
Actual poison gas optional.

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2001\01\26@100912 by Martin Hill

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Some excruciatingly (sp?) loud sirens in the car should do it.  You
can get some small sirens which if a few were placed inside the car
would make it a very uncomfortable place to be.

Martin

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2001\01\26@101559 by Jeszs

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how about seat ejection?
(opening ceiling optional)

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> How about a robot-voice module that says "POISON GAS BEING RELEASED"
> accompanied by hissing noise and greenish vapors from under the dash.
> Actual poison gas optional.
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2001\01\26@101624 by M. Adam Davis

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I've always wondered about the car alarms that sound outside the car - the
alarm doesn't attract anyone anyway, so why not make it louder and put it
inside the car?

The thief won't be able to drive very far with a loud horn in their ear,
and false alarms will not be heard as well outside the car (and thus
annoying neighbors and such).  If you put two or three in there, in
concert with the normal speakers, you can, using the phase of the signal
going to various speakers, make the thief go crazy trying to find one
alarm which is 'obviously' coming from under the seat - or wait, it just
changed to under the dash... Now it's the dang rear view mirror!  ARRGH!

-Adam

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2001\01\26@103215 by Bob Ammerman

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> I've always wondered about the car alarms that sound outside the car - the
> alarm doesn't attract anyone anyway, so why not make it louder and put it
> inside the car?
>
> The thief won't be able to drive very far with a loud horn in their ear,
> and false alarms will not be heard as well outside the car (and thus
> annoying neighbors and such).  If you put two or three in there, in
> concert with the normal speakers, you can, using the phase of the signal
> going to various speakers, make the thief go crazy trying to find one
> alarm which is 'obviously' coming from under the seat - or wait, it just
> changed to under the dash... Now it's the dang rear view mirror!  ARRGH!
>
> -Adam

You'd probably be sued/tried for inducing a psychosis in the perp with
malice aforethought.

Bob Ammerman
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2001\01\26@110634 by Alan B. Pearce

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>How about a robot-voice module that says "POISON GAS BEING RELEASED"
>accompanied by hissing noise and greenish vapors from under the dash.
>Actual poison gas optional.

just plenty of nitrogen gas will do - result is oxygen depletion. Do it for long
enough and you get the same effect, except I suspect forensically it would be
extremely hard to prove it occurred in your vehicle if the body was dumped out
in the country somewhere.

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2001\01\26@111722 by Robert Francisco

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I liked how Mr. James Bond protected his Lotus ;)

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> > like a glitterball (you know, one of those things you see hanging up
above
> > dance floors) and install a hidden, reasonably powered laser somewhere
> > around the back parcel shelf.
> >
> > Thief breaks in, tries to start the car, laser kicks in, thief gets
blinded
> > via the mirror......they are now going nowhere....neither is your
> > car.....or anybody elses car!
> >
> > The big advantage is that you can give them (typically, pimply youth) a
> > good kicking when you get back to your car and find them crawling around
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2001\01\26@113714 by jamesnewton

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This thread really has little to do with PIC's.

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2001\01\26@115954 by Oluseyi Odeinde

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Dan,

a simple but somewhat effective idea is to have the drivers seat mechanically
(or otherwise) fold forward and lock over the steering wheel upon intrusion (or
setting the alarm off).

Seyi

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2001\01\26@124900 by Attila Muhi

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I have always wondered if the ignition coil can be of any use when the engine isn't running ... A relay connected to the door contacts which connect the coil to the seat frame would be an interesting way of using that coil...



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2001\01\26@163132 by Nigel Goodwin

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In message <02ee01c087ab$ad3409c0$spamBeGonef7e8c540spamKILLspamsciencekit.com>, Bob Ammerman
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>> I've always wondered about the car alarms that sound outside the car - the
>You'd probably be sued/tried for inducing a psychosis in the perp with
>malice aforethought.

Not a problem - at least I'd be able to find out who he (or she) was and
go and visit them for a gentle discussion :-).

BTW - Ju Jitsu translates as 'The Gentle Art'.
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2001\01\27@050646 by Peter L. Peres

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>just plenty of nitrogen gas will do - result is oxygen depletion. Do it
>for long enough and you get the same effect,

Halon automatic fire extinguisher triggered by power resistor wired to
+12V ? I did not say this.

Peter

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2001\01\27@093449 by dre Domingos F. Souza

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>How about a robot-voice module that says "POISON GAS BEING RELEASED"
>accompanied by hissing noise and greenish vapors from under the dash.
>Actual poison gas optional.

       Necessary I'd say...


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2001\01\27@093458 by dre Domingos F. Souza

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>how about seat ejection?
>(opening ceiling optional)
>> How about a robot-voice module that says "POISON GAS BEING RELEASED"
>> accompanied by hissing noise and greenish vapors from under the dash.
>> Actual poison gas optional.

       What about a nuclear bomb of...say...½ megaton connected to the alarm?
:o)


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2001\01\27@093505 by dre Domingos F. Souza

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>The thief won't be able to drive very far with a loud horn in their ear,
>and false alarms will not be heard as well outside the car (and thus
>annoying neighbors and such).  If you put two or three in there, in
>concert with the normal speakers, you can, using the phase of the signal
>going to various speakers, make the thief go crazy trying to find one
>alarm which is 'obviously' coming from under the seat - or wait, it just
>changed to under the dash... Now it's the dang rear view mirror!  ARRGH!

       It's a RealNiceIdea®! Some 150db of scream inside of the car, I'd love to see someone trying to drive in this condition. 3 or 4 sirens hidden in nice spots, and a desperate thief will know what he deserves :oD


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2001\01\27@093513 by dre Domingos F. Souza

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>just plenty of nitrogen gas will do - result is oxygen depletion. Do it for long
>enough and you get the same effect, except I suspect forensically it would be
>extremely hard to prove it occurred in your vehicle if the body was dumped out
>in the country somewhere.

       Man...From PicList, this is becoming the BadGuysList!!! :oD


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2001\01\27@093532 by dre Domingos F. Souza

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>I liked how Mr. James Bond protected his Lotus ;)

       How?


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2001\01\31@190429 by Herbert Graf

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> >How about a robot-voice module that says "POISON GAS BEING RELEASED"
> >accompanied by hissing noise and greenish vapors from under the dash.
> >Actual poison gas optional.
>
> just plenty of nitrogen gas will do - result is oxygen depletion.
> Do it for long
> enough and you get the same effect, except I suspect forensically
> it would be
> extremely hard to prove it occurred in your vehicle if the body
> was dumped out
> in the country somewhere.

    I've always preferred two solutions to this "problem":

The "siren" method - on detection of an intruder wait for the door to close,
then bolt all doors so they cannot be opened. In your back seat have a
police (or fire truck or other emergency vehicle) siren. After say 20
seconds let that siren go!! OUCH!

The "shock" method - same as the previous one, except this time embed wires
in the seat with little pins. Connect a stun gun to that and I think you get
the rest of the idea!

       Too bad both of these solutions result in permanent damage and would land
YOU in jail! :( Oh well. TTYL

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2001\01\31@202044 by David Duley

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On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:02:53 -0500, you wrote:

>     I've always preferred two solutions to this "problem":
>
>The "siren" method - on detection of an intruder wait for the door to close,
>then bolt all doors so they cannot be opened. In your back seat have a
>police (or fire truck or other emergency vehicle) siren. After say 20
>seconds let that siren go!! OUCH!
>
>The "shock" method - same as the previous one, except this time embed wires
>in the seat with little pins. Connect a stun gun to that and I think you get
>the rest of the idea!
>
>        Too bad both of these solutions result in permanent damage and would land
>YOU in jail! :( Oh well. TTYL
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No No No,  You can't hurt the car jacker.  I had an idea about 5 years
ago that what you really want to do is actually get people to pay
attention to the car alarm.  Have an under-the-hood PA that screams
"GET YOUR FREE HOT SEX RIGHT HERE"....."STEP RIGHT UP.........."

At least you'd have a few witnesses!

Best regards
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2001\01\31@205441 by Peter Wintulich

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how about a smoke machine & fill the cab?

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On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:02:53 -0500, you wrote:

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No No No,  You can't hurt the car jacker.  I had an idea about 5 years
ago that what you really want to do is actually get people to pay
attention to the car alarm.  Have an under-the-hood PA that screams
"GET YOUR FREE HOT SEX RIGHT HERE"....."STEP RIGHT UP.........."

At least you'd have a few witnesses!

Best regards
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2001\02\01@172733 by Peter L. Peres

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Non-lethal deterrent (no PIC tho): Get a pet, preferrably a reptilian or a
snake, or a large spider, and keep it in the car all the time (to keep you
company in traffic jams). Wire the cage door to the alarm system. You
probably want internal lights on when this happens. This will only work in
countries with warm climates or a permanently garaged car. <g>

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