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2003\05\21@143558 by Zipwize

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Every time I use a new PIC I have to have a hard copy of the data sheet or I have to view the .pdf file (data sheet) and swap between the IDE and the .pdf file. I hate to print out all these .pdf files (hard on the trees). The DSP's are even worse with multiple manuals.

Is there a better way? Should I use dual monitors and use more power? How many of us use hard copy as reference during code development?


Fred Bailey, code developer

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2003\05\21@144701 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 02:23 PM 5/21/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Every time I use a new PIC I have to have a hard copy of the data sheet or
>I have to view the .pdf file (data sheet) and swap between the IDE and the
>.pdf file. I hate to print out all these .pdf files (hard on the trees).
>The DSP's are even worse with multiple manuals.
>
>Is there a better way? Should I use dual monitors and use more power? How
>many of us use hard copy as reference during code development?

I compromise and print a few sheets off that I write on.

I use the PDFs on screen as well and sometimes add sticky yellow notes
to them. They get archived with the project so they are not replaced by
later versions.

Also high resolution (1600 x 1200) on a good solid 21" monitor in a low-
glare environment.

Dual monitors may work for you- there are some issues like what happens
when you double-click the title bar- does it maximize to fill just one
monitor or both?

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2003\05\21@145115 by John Temples

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On Wed, 21 May 2003 .....ZipwizeKILLspamspam.....AOL.COM wrote:

> Every time I use a new PIC I have to have a hard copy of the data sheet or I have to view the .pdf file (data sheet) and swap between the IDE and the .pdf file. I hate to print out all these .pdf files (hard on the trees). The DSP's are even worse with multiple manuals.
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> Is there a better way? Should I use dual monitors and use more power? How many of us use hard copy as reference during code development?

I use dual monitors for the same reason -- and not just for PIC
datasheets, but other types of datasheets, software specs, etc., that
I need to look at while I'm coding.

And you can always turn off the second monitor when you're not using
it.

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2003\05\21@145431 by WEBB,TIM (A-Sonoma,ex1)

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I print it all and put it into a binder.  I've got a whole shelf just full of PIC Datasheets.
I find it much easier to have 3 or 4 binders open at the same time during PIC code development.

Tim

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2003\05\21@150901 by Francisco Ares

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There's the cheaper alternative to use multiple desktops. Linux window
managers are great, and AFAIK there are some shareware to do virtual
desktops on Windows too.

I use to print only the pages that shows the bit names and functions for
the several configuration registers.

Francisco


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2003\05\21@161437 by M. Adam Davis

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The problem you are trying to solve is:

You like to be able to move your eyes and see all needed information in
a glance without moving items/books/papers, or even the mouse to bring
another window into focus.

I prefer doing the same thing.  When I used a 1600x1200 (19") monitor it
was just barely not enough, and I'd usually still have a data sheet or
two on the desk.

Lately, though, I have use of a laptop with a 1400x1050 wide SXGA
screen, which allows me to view two pages side by side in PDF format, or
one page and a program.  I usually arrange the windows so that I can
click someplace on the screen to bring a neede window forward instead of
going to the taskbar.

However, when I know I'm going to be coding for long hours and need to
access several programs and/or pieces of information at once I pull out
a 15" LCD monitor and hook it up to my laptop as a secondary display.
It isn't ideal since the two displays do not match in resolution or
brightness, but it saves a great deal of time, and makes the whole
experience more comfortable and flexible.

I would suggest you use a second monitor if you can afford to do so.
Try to make your workspace more comfortable in terms of glare and
brightness as well - the more monitors you have and the less frequently
you look away from them, the great the eyestrain.  There are many good
online guides on relaxing and exercising your eyes - find a routine that
works for you and use it every 5 to 20 minutes.

-Adam

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2003\05\21@161850 by Colin Constant

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>Dual monitors may work for you- there are some issues like what happens
>when you double-click the title bar- does it maximize to fill just one
>monitor or both?
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On my setup, the window maximizes to fill the screen it's mostly in.

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2003\05\21@163058 by Tim Webb

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Another problem depending on your vidoe card and it's RAM, is that when you setup two monitors, your resolution may suffer.  Adding a second monitor, doubles the required resolution size required, thus reducing the resolution on each monitor so that the video card can handle two monitors.


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2003\05\21@163720 by Tim Webb

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Also, if you don't use identical monitors with the same resolution, your second monitor may the window beyond the actual screen, show the window offset, or just garbled due to difference in sync frequency.

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2003\05\21@165718 by Olin Lathrop

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> How many of us use hard copy as reference during code development?

I use the printed PIC data sheets from Microchip during PIC development.
There's already too much other stuff on my screens.  Sometimes you want
something you can read while leaning back in the chair, or put flat on
your desk with a little piece of paper to mark the place.


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2003\05\21@170854 by Jinx

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> Is there a better way? Should I use dual monitors and use more
> power? How many of us use hard copy as reference during code
> development?

I always print out the basic manual and generally refer to others
as pdfs. As Spehro says, a hard copy is good for scribbling in.
The last one I ran off was the 18F452 manual, which is a whopping
20mm thick (couldn't be stapled - I had to nail / glue it) but it's worth
it. As for the trees - well, I like to think a manual is not a waste of
paper compared to all the newspapers, packaging, junk mail,......

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2003\05\21@170901 by Olin Lathrop

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> Also, if you don't use identical monitors with the same resolution,
> your second monitor may the window beyond the actual screen, show the
> window offset, or just garbled due to difference in sync frequency.

Speaking of garbled, it's not totally clear what you are trying to say.

I use two separate monitors that are connected to two separate systems.
This works fine without any interaction between the two sync signals, the
60Hz line frequency or whatever.


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2003\05\21@173204 by David VanHorn

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> As for the trees - well, I like to think a manual is not a waste of
>paper compared to all the newspapers, packaging, junk mail,......

The trees are not out of the woods yet.

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2003\05\21@173221 by Bob Blick

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Jinx said:

> The last one I ran off was the 18F452 manual, which is a whopping
> 20mm thick (couldn't be stapled - I had to nail / glue it)

Nail it? ROTFL!!!

What's your databook nail?

Cheers,

Bob

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2003\05\21@174310 by Tim Webb

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You can hookup two monitors to a single computer

sorry about the garbled message

What I had ment to say was:

If you don't use identical monitors with the same resolution,
your second monitor may display the window beyond the actual screen, show the
window offset to one vertical or horizontal position, or just garbled due to difference in sync frequency.

I hope that makes more sense.

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2003\05\21@180732 by Jinx

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> > The last one I ran off was the 18F452 manual, which is a whopping
> > 20mm thick (couldn't be stapled - I had to nail / glue it)
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> Nail it? ROTFL!!!
>
> What's your databook nail?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bob

We're not talking a Homer Simpson spice rack. 5 x 12mm panel
pins from each side and a spine glued on to add support and cover
the nail heads. Solid my man, solid, never had one fall apart yet.
Never been a big fan of ring binders. Manilla folder ? Well you have
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2003\05\21@190234 by James Newton, webhost

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First, get a credit card or snow your boss.

Next, purchase 4 machines (only one needs to be fast) and 4 21" top of the
line monitors.

Finally, array the monitors on a (strong) desk from left to right in a
semi-circle with only enough separation to prevent interference. Keyboards
in front of each monitor.

Now, open the PICList web site in the far left one, the IDE in the center
left (on the fast machine), the PDF on the center right machine, and an HTML
editor for taking notes on the far right machine.

Actually, that is just about what I do... I made my boss very happy (saved
the company once or twice) and convinced him I really needed that many boxes
(PIII-550 NTWS4, PII-450 98se, PII-350 laptop XPPro, and an old 486DX2-50
3.11... plus the 3 NT 4 servers behind me)

And you would think I could get more done with all that hardware... Oh well.

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2003\05\21@194519 by William Chops Westfield

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>    Next, purchase 4 machines (only one needs to be fast) and 4 21"
>    top of the line monitors.
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>    Finally, array the monitors on a (strong) desk from left to right
>    in a semi-circle with only enough separation to prevent
>    interference. Keyboards in front of each monitor.
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>    you would think I could get more done with all that hardware... Oh well.

Maybe if you had more space left on your desk for actual PROJECTS :-)

I have one of those U-shaped "office desks."  In normal use, I sit on
the inside and use the "desk" portion, and there are two other computers
on the corners of the "return" facing outward for use by Kid#1 and Wife,
respectively.  But if necessary for "superhacker mode", the monitors
turn around, and the keyboard trays pivot, making all three systems face
ME in the middle.  (insert evil mad scientist laugh.)  At least, that
was the case before printers and CD stands and random junk and such
started covering all the available surface space, making the transitions
a bit difficult.  Sigh.

I decided my desk space is more valuable than money, and I'm not planning
on buying anything other than LCD screens (or equivilent) for a long time.

BillW

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2003\05\21@194910 by Mike Harrison

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On Wed, 21 May 2003 14:46:53 -0400, you wrote:

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It maximises to whichever one 'most' of the window is in.

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2003\05\21@195119 by Mike Harrison

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On Wed, 21 May 2003 15:42:38 -0600, you wrote:

>You can hookup two monitors to a single computer
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>sorry about the garbled message
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>What I had ment to say was:
>
>If you don't use identical monitors with the same resolution,
>your second monitor may display the window beyond the actual screen, show the
>window offset to one vertical or horizontal position, or just garbled due to difference in sync frequency.
It may be offset (I run 1200x1600 and 1024x1280 on 19 and 17" monitors so the scale is about the
same), but you shouldn't see any other problems - if the vertical sync frequency is different you
might see some ripple due to beating of the 2 fsyncs but you can usually force the frame rate to be
the same if this happens. I don't find the offset to be a major problem, ane you can tell it whether you want to align the top
or bottom of the displays.
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2003\05\21@230154 by Bob Ammerman

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Hm....

Guess I am in the minority here. I wish all documentation came as PDFs, and
I almost never find myself printing it out. I do use a 1600 x 1200 pixel LCD
notebook display (tiny pixels, but my close-up eyesight is still pretty
good). I just "Alt-Tab" flip from the datasheet to my editor, or sometimes
arrange them both on the screen.

Bob Ammerman

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2003\05\22@013339 by Mike Singer

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> Hm....
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> Guess I am in the minority here. I wish all documentation
> came as PDFs, and I almost never find myself printing it out.

I do not print them too. But I prefer .doc rather then .pdf
when available; can't manage mountains of paper,.. as well as
text mines on my computer, though :-( :-)

  Mike.

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2003\05\22@061238 by Alan B. Pearce

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>... I wish all documentation came as PDFs, and I almost
>never find myself printing it out.

That is my desire too :))

>... I just "Alt-Tab" flip from the datasheet to my editor,
>or sometimes arrange them both on the screen.

Alt-Tab is your friend here for sure. None of this moving the mouse to get
the toolbar to pop up and select the other window - you do set the toolbar
to auto-hide to get the slightly extra space on screen for your application,
don't you :)

Next trick is to work on one aspect of the project at a time, using a
modular system like Olin's development environment. means you are
concentrating on just one area of the hardware, and so need only a limited
portion of the data sheet to be visible, often one or two pages is enough,
to limit scrolling back and forth.

Third, use a context highlighting editor, such as Ultraedit. If the word
being typed isn't highlighted when entering a reserved word, then something
is wrong. This minimises the back and forth to the PDF. I can supply a
highlight file for Ultraedit with Olin's macro extensions and some of the
more recent Microchip bit and register names loaded if needed.

Next trick is as James says, don't throw out old machines when getting new
ones. They work excellently as document display stations :)) Also if using a
laptop make sure you have a facility to network it to the fixed machines in
the office, and by keeping the source files on the laptop, when in the
office with a bigger, higher resolution monitor, you can then edit the
files, but when away and have a thought, can still attack the files if
desired, while travelling or waiting at the airport or wherever. Works well
for me. Do source file editing and PCB layout this way.

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2003\05\22@065729 by Brent Brown

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> >... I wish all documentation came as PDFs, and I almost
> >never find myself printing it out.
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> That is my desire too :))
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> >... I just "Alt-Tab" flip from the datasheet to my editor,
> >or sometimes arrange them both on the screen.
>
> Alt-Tab is your friend here for sure. None of this moving the mouse to
> get the toolbar to pop up and select the other window - you do set the
> toolbar to auto-hide to get the slightly extra space on screen for
> your application, don't you :)

Amen to all of the above. I've just recently discovered "Ctrl-Tab"
for flicking between documents within an application...ever wanted to
visually compare a similar page in two different documents to spot
the differences, or compare an original pcb layout with a modified
one? Best thing I've discovered in Windows since...since... oh well,
it's a handy feature anyway. (still sore from Windows XP eating my
modem yesterday).

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2003\05\22@080720 by Kari Lehikko

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> Amen to all of the above. I've just recently discovered "Ctrl-Tab"

Hmm there are some shortcuts that I wasn't aware of... some might come
handy:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/q126/4/49.asp&NoWebContent=1

I wonder why Microchip hasn't included the possibility to use an
external editor in MPLAB6. While I work with AVR's using ICCAVR IDE, I
find it _very_ handy to use UltraEdit... clicking a line in error list
will open the right document and line in UE...

I would think that building an internal editor with code highlight is
more difficult than making the necessary OLE links (or whatever those
are).

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2003\05\22@083823 by Olin Lathrop

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> I wonder why Microchip hasn't included the possibility to use an
> external editor in MPLAB6.

Probably because the required hooks are not trivial.

Anyway, you don't have to use their editor at all.  I do all my PIC source
code editing outside of MPLAB.  In fact, this is done on a different
system with a different monitor.  Build scripts then run the assembler,
librarian, and linker without requiring some annoying clickety-click user
interface.  I burn code onto chips using my own programmer, also driven
from the command line.  During development, I often make a temporary build
script that builds the project, then automatically programs the PIC if the
build succeeded without errors.

In my opinion, the only thing MPLAB is useful for is debugging.  It works
well on a 1600 x 1200 screen.  I've attached a screen shot.  The top left
window is the source code.  All source windows are overlayed on that same
rectangle, so the one containing the execution point is shown.  The next
window to the right shows program memory.  This needs to be the selected
window when single stepping to avoid some problems MPLAB has about
stepping around macros.  The window on the right is always the special
function registers.  Along the bottom are various watch windows.  The left
one is always the same and shows my REG0 - REGn general registers and
such.  The remaining watch windows are dependent on the project and
whatever I may be trying to debug at the time.  It's a bit of a pain to
adjust the location of all the windows, but this only has to be done once
per project.  At least MPLAB is good about remembering window placement.
I noticed the PJT file is plain text, and I've occasionally been tempted
to write a program that creates the initial PJT file for a project
automatically, but never actually got around to it.

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2003\05\22@151635 by Peter L. Peres

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I use X11 with 3x3 panes (4x4 when I need more). Moving between panes is
instant (keypress or mouse). My attention span is not that short ...
Anyway I never understood the need for more than 1 screen. A normally set
up screen will fill your view properly and you can only see one at a time
anyway. So why not flip ?

Peter

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2003\05\22@165514 by Gary Crowell

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Having dual monitors is the most significant productivity upgrade I have ever made to my pc.  
I currently run a 2560x1024 on 19" and 21" monitors, with an ATI Radion 7500 dual-head card.  I would prefer to run 3200x1200, but that gets a bit cramped on the 19" - with the dual-head, both monitors must be running at the same rez.  The ATI 'hydravision' drivers manages which monitor an app is max'ed to (or across both), where the dialogs show up, etc.  Works well for me.  I've seen the 7500 for under $60.

Boss asked if I needed a faster PC, told him nope, I'd rather have a second 21".

I have heard good comments about the Matrox dual-head cards too.

I use them frequently with a schematic on one screen and a layout on another, or layout and gerber, or schematic and datasheet, or code and running app, or mail and browser...  I would feel terribly deprived if I ever had to go back to a single, and both my pc's at home seem woefully inadequate with singles.  They will be upgraded as soon as possible.  To repeat:

Having dual monitors is the most significant productivity upgrade I have ever made to my pc.  

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2003\05\22@175937 by Stuart Meier

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The only thing which beats 2 is ...three. I have a 21" with a pair of 19s. Run
off a Matrox double-banger card, with a separate Matrox PCI driving the third.
All coordinate via Matrox Powerdesk software, mixed resolutions etc etc.
Wonderful.

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2003\05\23@080026 by gtyler

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You don't sell monitors, do you? lol
Can you use 2 video cards, i.e. an AGP and an old PCI card? what operating
system do you use? can win'98 do it?

Regard,
       George Tyler

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2003\05\23@102438 by Mike Poulton

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> Having dual monitors is the most significant productivity upgrade I have
> ever made to my pc.

Adding a third was my most significant upgrade.  Two is great for
using two main applications at once (two browser windows, Photoshop
and Illustrator, browser and Word, etc.) but you need somewhere to put
all the little extraneous things that you want to see, but don't have
room for -- Winamp, system monitor, Photoshop toolbars, web server
status, etc.  This is where a third monitor, a 12.1" LCD, becomes very
usedful.  I presently have 18.1", 14", and 12.1" LCDs on my system,
each on its own video card (AGP for the 18.1", PCI for the others).
That last tiny monitor makes a huge difference.

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2003\05\23@142422 by Chris Loiacono

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The choice to go paperless is the obvious one. Early adopters simply kept up
with the development of the tools. Those that buck the goads are becoming as
obsolete as the paper they print on.

I suggest purchasing Adobe Acrobat. Then you can put collapsible post-it
notes all over the pdf's and save them that way. The datasheets I commonly
work with are done like this and saved on HDD. (ref the earlier discussions
on backing-up data)

If so many datasheets are already available as pdf's, why insist on
converting them to .docs?

It seems that while word docs have become popular for home users, pdf's have
become standard fare for businesses for many, many reasons. Ever take a
multi-page document and compare the size of the saved file as both a .doc &
a pdf? the current distiller makes wonderfully small files that are easily
edited, marked and extensible.



> Guess I am in the minority here. I wish all documentation
> came as PDFs, and
> I almost never find myself printing it out. I do use a 1600 x
> 1200 pixel LCD
> notebook display (tiny pixels, but my close-up eyesight is
> still pretty
> good). I just "Alt-Tab" flip from the datasheet to my editor,
> or sometimes
> arrange them both on the screen.
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2003\05\23@171800 by Randy Jones

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My 98SE help info discusses multiple monitors (just a little)... I think 98
was the first to offer it.

I have been seriously considering buying a 19" LCD to replace my aging CRT,
but this discussion makes me think that a combination of a 17" and a 15"
would be far more useful, and I believe the total cost would be similar.

Does anyone know of any detailed info about the video card requirements for
a multi-monitor setup?  I've heard of "dual head" cards which are designed
to support two monitors.  If two separate cards are being used, do they
require special characteristics to "get along" well together?  How about
using the built-in video on a motherboard for the smaller/secondary monitor,
and a better video card to drive the "main" monitor... possible?

Cheers!

Randy Jones
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2003\05\23@173420 by Tim Webb

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Check out this beast I just came across in a trade journal the other day:

http://www.viewsonic.com/products/lcd_vp2290b.htm

ViewSonic's VP2290b

Full 22.2" viewable LCD screen

3840x2400 optimum resolution

9.2 mega pixel (27.6 million RGB dots)

Only $6200.00  - Get a pair and you are set...


>I would prefer to run 3200x1200, but that gets a bit
> cramped on the 19" - with the dual-head, both monitors must be running at
> the same rez.  The ATI 'hydravision' drivers manages which monitor an app is
> max'ed to (or across both), where the dialogs show up, etc.  Works well
for
> me.

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2003\05\23@173805 by Tim Webb

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Oh and I forgot to add:

16:10 aspect ratio - Widescreen format allows you to display two full pages of text and graphics simultaneously.


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2003\05\23@192156 by Daniel Imfeld

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Under Windows 98 SE, I used an AGP Geforce 2 and a PCI Voodoo Banshee
card to run one monitor at 1600x1200 and another at 800x600, at
different refresh rates.  So, in my experience, it seems that just about
any combination of cards will work.  I haven't tried using a
motherboard's onboard video alongside a graphics card, but I think that
should work so long as the BIOS allows it.

Daniel Imfeld


On Friday, May 23, 2003 2:16 PM, Randy Jones
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2003\05\24@125838 by Randy Jones

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Thanks Daniel... I think it's time to get serious about this and give it a
try!

Randy

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