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2000\07\15@105309 by Albert Goodwill

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Is there any free demo version of version of CCS C compiler for PICs?

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2000\07\15@202613 by Dale Botkin

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On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, Albert Goodwill wrote:

> Is there any free demo version of version of CCS C compiler for PICs?
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> .....albertgoodwillKILLspamspam@spam@yahoo.com

Albert,

I asked CCS the same question.  They said they would, but you would need
to fill out some forms and FAX them to CCS, after which they would send a
floppy.  A little cumbersome.  I am now using CCS' PCM compiler, and I
have to say I've been pretty favorably impressed by it.  The sheer number
of built-in functions makes writing an application a lot easier.

I was pretty disappointed, though, to find out that you only get the
"good" optimization levels with PCW for more than twice the cost.  If it's
on their Web site I must have missed that little detail.  I also think
their support and upgrade policy -- free for only the first 30 days, then
you have to basically re-purchase the compiler every year for updates and
maintenance releases -- well, quite frankly, I think it stinks, and I hope
CCS changes that policy soon.  As I told a friend the other day, I bought
PCM because CCS' policies and pricing suck less than anyone else with a
product that will do what I need, but it's a pretty fine line.

I did enough research on the issue I plan to put up a comparison of the
compilers I looked at on my Web page one of these days.  If you're going
to spend money on a C compiler and don't have a huge budget, it's a tough
choice, and none of the available choices are all that terribly
attractive.  It's *almost* enough to drive me back to assembler.

Dale
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2000\07\16@063250 by fernteix

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Please verify in microchip site or in microchip CD
Regards

Fernando

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From: Dale Botkin <dalespamKILLspamBOTKIN.ORG>
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Date: Domingo, 16 de Julho de 2000 1:26
Subject: Re: [PIC]: Demo version of CCS C ?


>On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, Albert Goodwill wrote:
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>> Is there any free demo version of version of CCS C compiler for PICs?
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2000\07\17@112923 by David Kott

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> Is there any free demo version of version of CCS C compiler for PICs?
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> albertgoodwillspamspam_OUTyahoo.com
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Unfortunately, I don't think CCS offers a demo version of the program.  I
specified the compiler by looking at it's features on their website.  I also
got a better feel for the product by examining their example programs at:

http://ccsinfo.com/ep1.html
http://ccsinfo.com/ep2.html
http://ccsinfo.com/ep3.html
http://ccsinfo.com/ep4.html

If there is some specific item or program you would like me to try to
compile, I would be happy to show that it compiles or not with the latest
version of PCM available from CCS.
The compiler itself comes with a plethora of example programs which are
really helpful in bootstrapping a new programmer not used to C or PICs in
general.

-d

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2000\07\17@154213 by fernteix

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Please verify:
http://www.microchip.com/10/Tools/PICmicro/Code/third/index.htm

Regards

Fernando



>> Is there any free demo version of version of CCS C compiler for PICs?
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>Unfortunately, I don't think CCS offers a demo version of the program.  I
>specified the compiler by looking at it's features on their website.  I
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2000\07\17@161755 by Custom Computer Services

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CCS does now have a demo that you can get off of their www site.

Go to:  http://www.ccsinfo.com/demo.html


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2000\07\17@182812 by briang

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Dale Botkin <RemoveMEdaleTakeThisOuTspamBOTKIN.ORG> wrote:
> I was pretty disappointed, though, to find out that you only get the
> "good" optimization levels with PCW for more than twice the cost.

The extra optimization in PCW is nothing to write home about.

I recently had a chance to try PCW at a clients office and my 1000 word PCM program
got only 4 words shorter with the PCW optimization.

The optimization consisted of four instances where something like this:

   MOVLW   XXX
   ....
   MOVLW   XXX


(where "...." doesn't change the value of W) was optimized by omitting the second
MOVLW XXX

> I also think
> their support and upgrade policy -- free for only the first 30 days, then
> you have to basically re-purchase the compiler every year for updates and
> maintenance releases -- well, quite frankly, I think it stinks, and I hope
> CCS changes that policy soon.

Don't forget that something like this sells in way way lower quantities than
something like Borland C or Microsoft Visual Basic which you may be comparing with.

However I do think that the initial 30 days only support ought to be longer - maybe
even a year. 30 days in barely enough time to get to know the compiler let alone to
find out if you need support.

Brian Gregory.
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2000\07\17@213340 by Dale Botkin

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On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Brian Gregory wrote:

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Now I don't feel quite so bad...


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That's what I'm saying.  It feels like a bit of a crapshoot - what happens
if there's a major fix out 40 days after I buy?  I'll feel a little
screwed.  I'd be a LOT happier with a year of downloads, and I wouldn't
even gripe about a nominal fee, like $20 or $30 a year after that.  But a
hundred bucks a year??  I think not.  One thing I learned when I was
running a business (I'm feeling *much better now, thanks) was that
long-term customer loyalty and enthuisastic referrals were *good* things.

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2000\07\26@131936 by Custom Computer Services

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Yes, CCS offers a demo online.

Please go to http://www.ccsinfo.com/demo.html


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