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2001\03\27@133236 by Robert C. Gates

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I know this is a rehash of other compiler discussions but if someone would
care to help me in picking a compiler I would appreciate it.  My
requirements are that it work for the flash parts, have libraries so that I
am not reinventing the wheel and not cost more than $100 USD.  Ease of use
is also a consideration.

Many Thanks,

Robert Gates

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2001\03\27@140541 by Dale Botkin

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On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Robert C. Gates wrote:

> I know this is a rehash of other compiler discussions but if someone would
> care to help me in picking a compiler I would appreciate it.  My
> requirements are that it work for the flash parts, have libraries so that I
> am not reinventing the wheel and not cost more than $100 USD.  Ease of use
> is also a consideration.

As far as I know, you have two choices that meet those criteria (which
were mine as well):

1.) For small, non-commercial projects, the free versions of Hi-Tech PICC
or CCS C.

2.) For anything over 1K, commercial, or that you'll need for more than 30
days:  CCS PCM.  $99, supports all 14-bit devices, comes with wheels 8-)

Everything else I found was either more expensive (most) or cheap/free
no libraries (some).

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2001\03\27@144811 by Mike Mansheim

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> I know this is a rehash of other compiler discussions but if someone
would
> care to help me in picking a compiler I would appreciate it.  My
> requirements are that it work for the flash parts, have libraries so that
I
> am not reinventing the wheel and not cost more than $100 USD.  Ease of
use
> is also a consideration.

If you're referring to a 'C' compiler, I'd recommend CCS.
http://www.ccsinfo.com/picc

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2001\03\27@172050 by Nick Ray

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> 1.) For small, non-commercial projects, the free versions of Hi-Tech PICC
> or CCS C.
>

Is there a free version of CCS C? I can't see it on their website. I'm in a
similar position that I'd like to get a reasonable compiler for a reasonable
price (hobby use), it'd be nice to get a feel for the product before
committing my hard-earned cash!

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2001\03\27@183440 by Dale Botkin

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On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Nick Ray wrote:

> >
> > 1.) For small, non-commercial projects, the free versions of Hi-Tech PICC
> > or CCS C.
> >
>
> Is there a free version of CCS C? I can't see it on their website. I'm in a
> similar position that I'd like to get a reasonable compiler for a reasonable
> price (hobby use), it'd be nice to get a feel for the product before
> committing my hard-earned cash!

There is, and you won't find it on their web site.  Lord only knows why.
in fact, their own people told me there WAS no demo version, but someone
on the PICLIST came up with the URL to it anyway.  You have to download it
from Microchip, and only the PCW product is there in demo form.  I can
tell you I've been quite happy with it for almost a year now.  I've only
had to resort to inline assembly code one time, and I'm not so sure I
could not re-write that bit in C too.

PCW is just PCB (12-bit) and PCM (14-bit) with a Windows IDE thingy
wrapped around it.  I use PCM, which integrates nicely with MPLAB.

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2001\03\28@122805 by Robert C. Gates

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Thanks for the input.  I expected more plugs in general and perhaps some for
the free options.  The link for the demos mentioned is
http://www.microchip.com/14010/helper.htm and it includes CCS, HI-TECH and
IAR.  I will be checking out CCS.

Thanks,

Rob

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2001\03\28@131031 by D Lloyd

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Hi,

I'd recommend the CCS compiler, too, although my ICD sometimes does not
like what it produces.

As to resorting to assembler with it, I had to in overcoming an apparent
compiler bug with slave SPI operation. Other than that, it is very good
value for under a ton (100) and pretty efficient.

Dan





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Thanks for the input.  I expected more plugs in general and perhaps some
for
the free options.  The link for the demos mentioned is
http://www.microchip.com/14010/helper.htm and it includes CCS, HI-TECH and
IAR.  I will be checking out CCS.

Thanks,

Rob

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2001\03\28@133035 by Dale Botkin

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I have used a couple of the free ones.  While I have not done any
side-by-side comparisons to see which produces the fastest/cmot compact
code, I did find that the free cmpilers generally do not have much in the
way of included function libraries.  That was one of your requirements,
which is the only reason I didn't list any of those I had tried.  A couple
of them are also substantially limited subsets or variations on C.

Dale

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Robert C. Gates wrote:

> Thanks for the input.  I expected more plugs in general and perhaps some for
> the free options.  The link for the demos mentioned is
> http://www.microchip.com/14010/helper.htm and it includes CCS, HI-TECH and
> IAR.  I will be checking out CCS.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rob
>
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2001\03\28@144339 by Duane Brantley

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Any comments on the Fed C Compiler?   http://www.fored.co.uk

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Hi,

I'd recommend the CCS compiler, too, although my ICD sometimes does not
like what it produces.

As to resorting to assembler with it, I had to in overcoming an apparent
compiler bug with slave SPI operation. Other than that, it is very good
value for under a ton (£100) and pretty efficient.

Dan






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Thanks for the input.  I expected more plugs in general and perhaps some
for
the free options.  The link for the demos mentioned is
http://www.microchip.com/14010/helper.htm and it includes CCS, HI-TECH and
IAR.  I will be checking out CCS.

Thanks,

Rob

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On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Nick Ray wrote:

> >
> > 1.) For small, non-commercial projects, the free versions of Hi-Tech
PICC
> > or CCS C.
> >
>
> Is there a free version of CCS C? I can't see it on their website. I'm in
a
> similar position that I'd like to get a reasonable compiler for a
reasonable
> price (hobby use), it'd be nice to get a feel for the product before
> committing my hard-earned cash!

There is, and you won't find it on their web site.  Lord only knows why.
in fact, their own people told me there WAS no demo version, but someone
on the PICLIST came up with the URL to it anyway.  You have to download it
from Microchip, and only the PCW product is there in demo form.  I can
tell you I've been quite happy with it for almost a year now.  I've only
had to resort to inline assembly code one time, and I'm not so sure I
could not re-write that bit in C too.

PCW is just PCB (12-bit) and PCM (14-bit) with a Windows IDE thingy
wrapped around it.  I use PCM, which integrates nicely with MPLAB.

Dale
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