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'[PIC]: C30 compiler update; ENC28J60 availability'
2005\11\28@125653 by Charles Craft

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biz.yahoo.com/bw/051128/20051128005031.html?.v=1
Microchip Technology Announces C Compiler and Free Student-Edition C Compiler for All 70 16-bit PIC24 MCUs and dsPIC(R) DSCs
Monday November 28, 8:00 am ET
MPLAB(R) C30 Version 2.0 Provides Industry-Leading Code Efficiency and Cost-Effective, ANSI-Compliant Option for Writing C or Mixed C and Assembly Code Modules



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Finally showed up on the buy.microchip.com site. Digikey pricing for comparison below.
Looks price is the same for qty. > 25 but big difference below that.

Part Number:          ENC28J60/SO
         
Lead Count:        28
Package Type:        SOIC 300mil
Temp Range:        0C to +70C
Packing Media:        Tube
                 
Pricing: (USD)        
1-25                6.73
26-99                4.81
100+                4.69
                 
Availability:        Ship By: 20-Mar-2006

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Digi-Key Part Number        ENC28J60/SS-ND        
Price Break        Unit Price        Price
1                   8.08000
25                 4.80960
100               4.69000

Manufacturer Part Number        ENC28J60/SS
Description        IC ETHERNET CTRL 8K W/SPI 28SSOP
Quantity Available        
All prices are in US dollars


2005\11\28@132844 by Wouter van Ooijen

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note the second part of the subject, which is not mentioned in the
referred page: "ENC28J60 availability". As yet SOIC only, but that is a
clear sign that the DIP version will follow soon.

Wouter van Ooijen

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2005\11\28@133029 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> note the second part of the subject, which is not mentioned
> in the referred page: "ENC28J60 availability". As yet SOIC
> only, but that is a clear sign that the DIP version will follow soon.

But I had not checked the "Ship By": 20-Mar-2006  :( :(

Wouter van Ooijen

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2005\11\28@190306 by Chen Xiao Fan

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>biz.yahoo.com/bw/051128/20051128005031.html?.v=1
>Microchip Technology Announces C Compiler and Free Student-Edition
>C Compiler for All 70 16-bit PIC24 MCUs and dsPIC(R) DSCs
>Monday November 28, 8:00 am ET
>MPLAB(R) C30 Version 2.0 Provides Industry-Leading Code Efficiency and
>Cost-Effective, ANSI-Compliant Option for Writing C or Mixed C and
>Assembly Code Modules

Wonderful. So they are really listening to feedback to
release the free Student-Edition. Quite some time ago
in the discussions of "dsPIC for hobbyists", Wouter and
others mentioned this as a good option for Microchip.
That is why I like Microchip.

Regards,
Xiaofan

2005\11\28@190618 by John Nall

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Charles Craft wrote:
> > Microchip Technology Announces C Compiler and Free Student-Edition C Compiler for All 70 16-bit PIC24 MCUs and dsPIC(R) DSC

Just as a follow-up for those of you who are eager to get the free
student edition, the word (on the Microchip website) is that it will be
posted in mid-December (kind of a Christmas gift, so to speak).   Guess
Xiaofan Chen has more clout with  them than I ever realized!!!  :-)  (He
has been pushing his local rep for a long time for the need for such a  
thing, as I understand it from his postings.)

2005\11\28@195124 by Chen Xiao Fan

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John Nall wrote:
>Just as a follow-up for those of you who are eager to get the free
>student edition, the word (on the Microchip website) is that it will be
>posted in mid-December (kind of a Christmas gift, so to speak).   Guess
>Xiaofan Chen has more clout with  them than I ever realized!!!  :-)  (He
>has been pushing his local rep for a long time for the need for such a  
>thing, as I understand it from his postings.)

I am just a satisfied customers. I do not think I have the ability
to influence Microchip. It is to their business interests to do this.
Microchip's core business is to sell chips, not development tools.
However they also can not give the software for free (that will not
make HiTech, IAR, CCS and other third parties not happy). So a
stripped down edition of C30 is a good choice like C18.

I also push for quite some other things (for hobbyists only, we have
other requests as a business customers). Just two examples below.

1) to release on-chip debug protocol and MPLAB/ICD2 communication
protocol.

This seems to be difficult. I saw a thread on Microchip
forum on reverse-engineering the ICD2 debugging protocol and the
whole thread was deleted yesterday.

However it seems to me there will be alternatives to ICD2 soon
for the PIC24 and dsPIC33 which support the JTAG.

It seems to me that there are enough people inside Microchip
who are using Mac and Linux so one day they will support debugging
under different OS. Releasing the Explorer 16 Demo board
firmware and updating the firmware to support JTAG will be
a good step.

2) to use PICkit 2 to support dsPIC
This seems quite possible and should be done next year.

Regards,
Xiaofan

2005\11\28@203229 by Chen Xiao Fan

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>Microchip's core business is to sell chips, not development tools.
>However they also can not give the software for free (that will not
>make HiTech, IAR, CCS and other third parties not happy). So a
>stripped down edition of C30 is a good choice like C18.

Oops. It should be "(that will not make HiTech, IAR, CCS and
other third parties happy)." The third-party has contributed
a lot to Microchip's success and should not be abandoned.

I think Microchip is eager to push the 16-bit chips. There
will be more initiatives from Microchip to follow the release
of C30 student editions. For examples, more examples have
been released on Microchip's website.

Regards,
Xiaofan

2005\11\28@204520 by John Nall

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Chen Xiao Fan wrote:
> > I am just a satisfied customers. I do not think I have the ability
> to influence Microchip. It is to their business interests to do this.
>  
Well, sure.  I didn't say they are not following their business
interests. :-)  I sure hope not -- I still own some of their stock!  But
sometimes it takes someone "on the ground" to call to their attention to
just how their business interests are best served.  Without (hopefully)
going into any sort of extended discussion, I would venture to say that
(a) Microchip has great hopes for the Asian market, and (b) they are
looking for their local representatives over there to steer them right.  
Their local representatives, in turn, are going to be influenced by
their prime customers.  So someone who is informed, articulate, and not
afraid to speak his (or her) mind to a local representative has a far
greater influence than one would think.  Believe me, a company like
Microchip is driven by the marketing division.  Whether  this is a good
thing or not is another matter, of course, and is a good discussion in
it's own right.  But not here and now now.

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