Post by thread:[PIC]: C30 compiler update; ENC28J60 availability

biz.yahoo.com/bw/051128/20051128005031.html?.v=1 Microchip Technology Announces C Compiler and Free Student-Edition C Compiler for All 70 16-bit PIC24 MCUs and dsPIC(R) DSCs Monday November 28, 8:00 am ET MPLAB(R) C30 Version 2.0 Provides Industry-Leading Code Efficiency and Cost-Effective, ANSI-Compliant Option for Writing C or Mixed C and Assembly Code Modules +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= Finally showed up on the buy.microchip.com site. Digikey pricing for comparison below. Looks price is the same for qty. > 25 but big difference below that. Part Number: ENC28J60/SO Lead Count: 28 Package Type: SOIC 300mil Temp Range: 0C to +70C Packing Media: Tube Pricing: (USD) 1-25 6.73 26-99 4.81 100+ 4.69 Availability: Ship By: 20-Mar-2006 --------------------------------------------------------- Digi-Key Part Number ENC28J60/SS-ND Price Break Unit Price Price 1 8.08000 25 4.80960 100 4.69000 Manufacturer Part Number ENC28J60/SS Description IC ETHERNET CTRL 8K W/SPI 28SSOP Quantity Available All prices are in US dollars

note the second part of the subject, which is not mentioned in the referred page: "ENC28J60 availability". As yet SOIC only, but that is a clear sign that the DIP version will follow soon. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: http://www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: http://www.voti.nl/hvu

> note the second part of the subject, which is not mentioned > in the referred page: "ENC28J60 availability". As yet SOIC > only, but that is a clear sign that the DIP version will follow soon. But I had not checked the "Ship By": 20-Mar-2006 :( :( Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: http://www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: http://www.voti.nl/hvu

>biz.yahoo.com/bw/051128/20051128005031.html?.v=1 >Microchip Technology Announces C Compiler and Free Student-Edition >C Compiler for All 70 16-bit PIC24 MCUs and dsPIC(R) DSCs >Monday November 28, 8:00 am ET >MPLAB(R) C30 Version 2.0 Provides Industry-Leading Code Efficiency and >Cost-Effective, ANSI-Compliant Option for Writing C or Mixed C and >Assembly Code Modules Wonderful. So they are really listening to feedback to release the free Student-Edition. Quite some time ago in the discussions of "dsPIC for hobbyists", Wouter and others mentioned this as a good option for Microchip. That is why I like Microchip. Regards, Xiaofan

Charles Craft wrote: > > Microchip Technology Announces C Compiler and Free Student-Edition C Compiler for All 70 16-bit PIC24 MCUs and dsPIC(R) DSC Just as a follow-up for those of you who are eager to get the free student edition, the word (on the Microchip website) is that it will be posted in mid-December (kind of a Christmas gift, so to speak). Guess Xiaofan Chen has more clout with them than I ever realized!!! :-) (He has been pushing his local rep for a long time for the need for such a thing, as I understand it from his postings.)

John Nall wrote: >Just as a follow-up for those of you who are eager to get the free >student edition, the word (on the Microchip website) is that it will be >posted in mid-December (kind of a Christmas gift, so to speak). Guess >Xiaofan Chen has more clout with them than I ever realized!!! :-) (He >has been pushing his local rep for a long time for the need for such a >thing, as I understand it from his postings.) I am just a satisfied customers. I do not think I have the ability to influence Microchip. It is to their business interests to do this. Microchip's core business is to sell chips, not development tools. However they also can not give the software for free (that will not make HiTech, IAR, CCS and other third parties not happy). So a stripped down edition of C30 is a good choice like C18. I also push for quite some other things (for hobbyists only, we have other requests as a business customers). Just two examples below. 1) to release on-chip debug protocol and MPLAB/ICD2 communication protocol. This seems to be difficult. I saw a thread on Microchip forum on reverse-engineering the ICD2 debugging protocol and the whole thread was deleted yesterday. However it seems to me there will be alternatives to ICD2 soon for the PIC24 and dsPIC33 which support the JTAG. It seems to me that there are enough people inside Microchip who are using Mac and Linux so one day they will support debugging under different OS. Releasing the Explorer 16 Demo board firmware and updating the firmware to support JTAG will be a good step. 2) to use PICkit 2 to support dsPIC This seems quite possible and should be done next year. Regards, Xiaofan

>Microchip's core business is to sell chips, not development tools. >However they also can not give the software for free (that will not >make HiTech, IAR, CCS and other third parties not happy). So a >stripped down edition of C30 is a good choice like C18. Oops. It should be "(that will not make HiTech, IAR, CCS and other third parties happy)." The third-party has contributed a lot to Microchip's success and should not be abandoned. I think Microchip is eager to push the 16-bit chips. There will be more initiatives from Microchip to follow the release of C30 student editions. For examples, more examples have been released on Microchip's website. Regards, Xiaofan

Chen Xiao Fan wrote: > > I am just a satisfied customers. I do not think I have the ability > to influence Microchip. It is to their business interests to do this. > Well, sure. I didn't say they are not following their business interests. :-) I sure hope not -- I still own some of their stock! But sometimes it takes someone "on the ground" to call to their attention to just how their business interests are best served. Without (hopefully) going into any sort of extended discussion, I would venture to say that (a) Microchip has great hopes for the Asian market, and (b) they are looking for their local representatives over there to steer them right. Their local representatives, in turn, are going to be influenced by their prime customers. So someone who is informed, articulate, and not afraid to speak his (or her) mind to a local representative has a far greater influence than one would think. Believe me, a company like Microchip is driven by the marketing division. Whether this is a good thing or not is another matter, of course, and is a good discussion in it's own right. But not here and now now. .