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2002\01\30@180922 by Claudio Tagliola

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Hi all,


I'm about to order the CCS C Compiler PCM and the PCH in the near
future, after some extensive research. However, I just came across the
rather strange maintenance policy of CCS. In short, the compiler costs
$99 per family. You get 30 days update rights with it. For an extension
to a year, you pay another $99. For the record, this also concerns bug
fixes, not just feature updates.

Have the ppl who use the CCS had any problems in being forced to buy an
update rights extension (or a completely new version) because of needed
bug fixes?

It looks like a good program for a good price, but I don't want to be
hit by another $99 expense per compiler family per year. The only
company I allow that to do is Microsoft...


Regards,
Claudio

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2002\01\30@183926 by Lawrence Lile

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The guy that sits next to me uses mechanical CAD software that costs $6000,
plus about $5000 per year maintenance, and until last year ran on a Sun
workstation that cost megabucks just to have around.  He's my boss, and when
I tell him I have to pay $99 a year maintenance he just laughs and signs the
check.

I wasn't happy about the CCS maintenance policy at first, but I've made my
peace with it.  CCS has a very sustainable business model, software is cheap
upfront and they get paid on an ongoing basis.  This means they will be
around when the PIC26000 comes out in 2005, and they will have a compiler
for it.

You don't HAVE to pay the maintenance, in fact they don't bill you for it,
but if you need updates, you also have to pay for them.  Think of it as
spreading the $800 their competitor charges (who makes very fine software
BTW) over several yearly payments.

Until Scott Datallo finishes his super-duper compiler, CCS is a pretty good
deal.  Get used to the maintenance idea.


--Lawrence

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2002\01\30@194901 by Scott Dattalo

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On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Lawrence Lile wrote:

> Until Scott Datallo finishes his super-duper compiler, CCS is a pretty good
> deal.  Get used to the maintenance idea.

And the beta won't be ready 'til March. The good news is progress is
happening. Just last week, I got bank register access working for many
(but not all) test cases. The beta release will only support single C
files. However, Craig Franklin is working on gplink. (gplink is to MPLINK
what gpasm is to mpasm).

Scott

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2002\01\30@200939 by Dale Botkin

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On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Claudio Tagliola wrote:

> Have the ppl who use the CCS had any problems in being forced to buy an
> update rights extension (or a completely new version) because of needed
> bug fixes?
>
> It looks like a good program for a good price, but I don't want to be
> hit by another $99 expense per compiler family per year. The only
> company I allow that to do is Microsoft...

So dump the M$ "upgrades" and use the money on better things -- shouldn't
be hard to do.  I think CCS' support policy sucks too, but so far they
have not shown any inclination to change it.  When mine runs out I dont
know if I'll renew or not, or just wait for the next major version.

At least they're not as bad as one software vendor I deal with at work.
If your support lapses and you try to get support later on, they charge
you for the entire period you were without support too, PLUS a 25%
penalty.  Guess who is at the top of our list of software to find a
replacement for?

Dale

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2002\01\30@205618 by Kevin J. Maciunas

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On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 09:25, Claudio Tagliola wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
> I'm about to order the CCS C Compiler PCM and the PCH in the near
> future, after some extensive research. However, I just came across the
> rather strange maintenance policy of CCS. In short, the compiler costs
> $99 per family. You get 30 days update rights with it. For an extension
> to a year, you pay another $99. For the record, this also concerns bug
> fixes, not just feature updates.
>
> Have the ppl who use the CCS had any problems in being forced to buy an
> update rights extension (or a completely new version) because of needed
> bug fixes?
>
> It looks like a good program for a good price, but I don't want to be
> hit by another $99 expense per compiler family per year. The only
> company I allow that to do is Microsoft...
>

As a "satisfied" CCS-C user, I'd have to say that the maintenance policy
is a bit of a downer.  I bought V2.something a couple of years back and
have just last week bought 3.something.  Big improvement between the
two.  I had no really substantial problems with the V2.x version, I got
3.x simply because it will run on Linux and therefore solve the problem
of having a Windoze box sitting there...

So you don't NEED to upgrade frequently.  Of course, you might tickle a
compiler bug and that would be very irritating indeed!

I've found CCS an absolute pleasure to deal with, BTW.  They are very
prompt, and even sent me a new V2.x floppy when some theiving bastard
stole my laptop along with the laptop bag + floppy.

My $0.02
/Kevin
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2002\01\31@020935 by kben

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I bought my version of PCM 2.7xx a year ago and have not purchased
any updates. A month ago I ran into a problem with a F628 and
trying to getc() a character from the PC serial port and
send it back to the serial port with the #INT_RDA interrupt.
Basically I could not get the interrupt to work.
I reported it to CCS on 1/5/2002 and got an automated response the
next day that it would be assigned and someone would contact me.
Well I'm still waiting for someone to contact me................


>Hi all,
>
>Have the ppl who use the CCS had any problems in being forced to buy an
>update rights extension (or a completely new version) because of needed
>bug fixes?
>

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2002\01\31@094954 by Lawrence Lile

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You Go, Dude!
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> On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Lawrence Lile wrote:
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> > Until Scott Datallo finishes his super-duper compiler, CCS is a pretty
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