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2002\02\10@154007 by Ted Mawson

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I need a scope and the bitscope http://www.bitscope.com looks cool but it seems crazy to order it from Australia.  Does anyone know where I could:

a.    Buy one used
b.    Buy a kit in the USA
c.    Buy something similar

Thanks,

Ted Mawson
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2002\02\10@154842 by Mahmood Elnasser

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Try http://www.picotech.com
I bought the ADC200 pico scope from them , its great and I love it.


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Subject: [PIC]: Bitscope

I need a scope and the bitscope http://www.bitscope.com looks cool but it seems
crazy to order it from Australia.  Does anyone know where I could:

a.    Buy one used
b.    Buy a kit in the USA
c.    Buy something similar

Thanks,

Ted Mawson
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2002\02\10@163509 by Paul Holthuizen

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Hi,

Why crazy?

It's a very nice product, people at Bitscope react promptly, know
their stuff, accept credit cards and ship fast: I usually have my
components from them within 1 week after ordering (to the
Netherlands).

That does not strike me as crazy. Australia is a part of the world
nowadays.

Regards,

Paul Holthuizen



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2002\02\10@171258 by Tony Nixon

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Paul Holthuizen wrote:

> That does not strike me as crazy. Australia is a part of the world
> nowadays.

I'm sure glad to hear that ;-)

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2002\02\10@204104 by Edson Brusque
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Hello Paul et all,

>It's a very nice product, people at bitscope react promptly, know
>their stuff, accept credit cards and ship fast: I usually have my
>components from them within 1 week after ordering (to the
>Netherlands).

   I'm a BitScope user too (although I have burned mine). There's a list
dedicated to it at spamBeGonebitscopespamBeGonespamyahoogroups.com and you're invited.

   Best regards,

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2002\02\11@082607 by Ted Mawson

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All,

A few people have reacted strongly to my comment that it seemed crazy to
order from Austrailia.  Please accept my apology as no offence was intended
and I have no xenophobic tendencies.  Actually, a distant relative of mine,
Sir Douglas Mawson, is depicted on the Australian $50 note!

Maybe 'crazy' was too strong a word but just because I was looking for a
supplier in the USA, doesn't exactly amount to cultural imperialism which
one person accused me of!  If there was something you wanted to buy,
wouldn't you see if you see if you could buy it locally first?  What if you
needed to return it? How much is postage from Australia?  Are there duties
to pay? etc. etc.

FYI, I've e-mailed bitscope to ask details about ordering from them.

Peace?

Ted Mawson
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2002\02\11@103401 by Eoin Ross

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Well ... The countries first settlers was mainly criminals and lepers .... : )


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All,

A few people have reacted strongly to my comment that it seemed crazy to
order from Austrailia.  Please accept my apology as no offence was intended
and I have no xenophobic tendencies.  Actually, a distant relative of mine,
Sir Douglas Mawson, is depicted on the Australian $50 note!

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2002\02\12@203512 by Brian Kraut

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And they have kangaroos.  How can you go wrong?

Tony Nixon wrote:

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2002\02\12@204754 by Sean Alcorn - Avion Sydney

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on 12/2/02 2:31 AM, Eoin Ross at RemoveMEerossKILLspamspamCHEMSTATION.COM wrote:

> Well ... The countries first settlers was mainly criminals and lepers .... : )

Yes. But they have since introduced spelling and grammar in schools here.

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2002\02\12@221722 by Ashley Roll

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Hi Brian

Yep, Kangaroo steaks are THE BEST.. Medium/medium rare, nice chilli sauce..
How can you go wrong indeed?

Lunch time here, can you tell? :)

Ash.
An Aussie who is proud to eat one of his national symbols :)

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2002\02\12@222359 by David VanHorn

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At 08:39 PM 2/11/02 -0800, Brian Kraut wrote:
>And they have kangaroos.  How can you go wrong?

And funnel web spiders.

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2002\02\12@232151 by David Duffy

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>At 08:39 PM 2/11/02 -0800, Brian Kraut wrote:
>>And they have kangaroos.  How can you go wrong?

Dave Vanhorn wrote:
>And funnel web spiders.

And Steve Irwin  - now that's one crazy guy !
I saw him in action at Australia Zoo (His own park - not far away).
You wouldn't get me in there with the Croc's.
I saw a US web site the other day that explained that Koalas used
to be in other counties too but the Bears & Lions ate them all !
The funny thing was that it was a serious travel advice site.

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2002\02\12@235816 by steve

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> And Steve Irwin
> I saw him in action at Australia Zoo (His own park - not far away).
> You wouldn't get me in there with the Croc's.

You wouldn't get me in there with Steve Irwin.

:-)

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2002\02\13@012011 by Jinx

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> You wouldn't get me in there with the Crocs

I'd take the crocs over Steve Irwin and his missus

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2002\02\13@024730 by Peter L. Peres

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>Well ... The countries first settlers was mainly criminals and lepers
>....  = : )

The way someone's sig put it: "Each and every one of them was chosen by a
judge". But Your remark sounds a little harsh. All the (few) Aussies and
Aussiettes I have met were cool and nice.

Peter

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2002\02\13@032557 by Sean Alcorn - Avion Sydney

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on 13/2/02 8:02 AM, Peter L. Peres at KILLspamplpspamBeGonespamACTCOM.CO.IL wrote:

> The way someone's sig put it: "Each and every one of them was chosen by a
> judge".

Yes. We were chosen by the best judges in England!

> But Your remark sounds a little harsh. All the (few) Aussies and
> Aussiettes I have met were cool and nice.

You are correct, Peter. Most of us are nice. :-)

But on the above note, we have a theory in Australia that the reason the
POMEs (British) are always whinging (whining) about us is that they banished
us to this so called penal colony and kept that s*#thole England for
themselves! :-)

Cheers,

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2002\02\13@044328 by Vasile Surducan

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Well, well my dear friends,
It seems you don't like the high age of your mother queen... [ smile
please ! ]
But I must admit ( I'm not an english man as you may read from my ugly
writting style ) that australians have nice SF movies ( Lost in the space
? )

regards, Vasile

On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Sean Alcorn - Avion Sydney wrote:

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2002\02\13@055332 by Bob Barr

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On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:45:40 +1100, Sean Alcorn - Avion Sydney
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>on 12/2/02 2:31 AM, Eoin Ross at spamBeGoneerossspamKILLspamCHEMSTATION.COM wrote:
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>> Well ... The countries first settlers was mainly criminals and lepers .... : )
>
>Yes. But they have since introduced spelling and grammar in schools here.

As I heard it, at one point, a British gentleman was going on vacation
(sorry, holiday) down under. When he arrived at the customs
checkpoint, he was asked: "Sir, are you a convicted felon?"

His immediate response was: "Oh, I'm sorry; no, it didn't realize that
was a requirement anymore."

Sorry (just another of one of those bloody colonials), Bob

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2002\02\13@082924 by Ted Mawson

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Hmmmm,

My original question was basically, is there anywhere I can buy a bitscope
other than 'Down Under'.

So far, I've learnt nothing about this so I caontacted bitscope myself; they
have kits on special, I'll probably place an order with them soon.

However, I have learnt that:
- some Auzzies still harbour a grudge again the POMs
- people eat Kagaroo steaks and they taste good!
- some POMs still harbour a grudge against the Auzzies
- some people (me included) are amused by all this ;-)

I'll let y'all know how the bitscope thing goes.

Ted (A Brit / POM / whinger that now lives in the land of the free :)
PS    $1.14 per gallon - eat your heart out POMs!

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2002\02\13@084157 by Vasile Surducan

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On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Ted Mawson wrote:

> Hmmmm,
>
> My original question was basically, is there anywhere I can buy a bitscope
> other than 'Down Under'.
>
 oh men, what don't you say that ?

 http://www.vitrum.cz/snail/bitscope.htm
 East/Middle Europe

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2002\02\13@085845 by Alan B. Pearce

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>PS    $1.14 per gallon - eat your heart out POMs!

Well at 70.9p/litre for unleaded at about US$1.45/GBP, and around 4.45
l/imperial gallon (don't know what it is to a US gallon), that's about
US1.02/litre, about US$4.57/imp gallon. Its not called "rip off Britain" for
nothing. 4 Star and Diesel are even more.

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2002\02\13@091139 by Bond, Peter

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> >PS    $1.14 per gallon - eat your heart out POMs!
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> Well at 70.9p/litre for unleaded at about US$1.45/GBP, and around 4.45
> l/imperial gallon (don't know what it is to a US gallon), that's about
> US1.02/litre, about US$4.57/imp gallon. Its not called "rip
> off Britain" for
> nothing. 4 Star and Diesel are even more.

1 US gallon = 8 * 16flOz = 3.785l
1 Imperial gallon = 8 * 20 US flOz = 4.546l

(and, apparently, 1 US fl Oz = 1.0408 Imperial fl Oz, which wasn't one I
knew before)

Hence bemused British tourists getting something they don't quite recognise
as a pint in the US...

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2002\02\13@092704 by J.Feldhaar

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Sorry, couln't resist that one...

The fuel prices in the EU and the US are abt the same, we pay around 1
EURO, the average US citizen around one dollar.
There is nothing unfair in this.

But unfortunately, the US person will get a gallon of the stuff while I
get a litre for the same price.

Conclusion: We will have to take over the gallon here in central Europe.

My 0.02 Euro worth.....  ;-)

Jochen Feldhaar DH6FAZ

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2002\02\13@094012 by Chris Loiacono

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& I was one of those not_so_bemused US tourists in the UK during the great
petrol scandal a year or two ago. If everyone on the list had broadband
connections, i could tell you stories of how a 3 day business trip extended
to a 3 week "lets drive around the UK for a couple of weeks" trip turned
into something quite interesting.

I also went through two similar US episodes, esp the "big one" back in '77 I
think -
Americans used guns and clubs and lots of foul words to keep their places on
gasoline lines (you know- cueing for petrol) overnight. In England, Wales
and Ireland, the only ones who got tough were the Irish tanker drivers who
blockaded the road from the Cork ferry port. I was amazed about the average
persons ability to stay calm and friendly during it all.

Just try increasing fuel priced to 1/2 of those prices in the good ol' US
and watch the riots start straight away! (Learned some proper Queen's
English, also).
The only thing I don't understand is why some pubs welcomed us warmly while
others let us know that we definitely didn't belong there. The later ones
reminded me of my original home, NY. Anyway, people were generally much
friendlier there - just don't go into the wrong pub. OK, one more - why are
some fairly simple electronic parts and supplies so expensive there also??

C

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2002\02\13@100016 by Alan B. Pearce

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>OK, one more - why are some fairly simple electronic
>parts and supplies so expensive there also??

I wish I knew. There is a certain something unknown to do with the tax
system and its inherent inefficiencies, but there is something else goes on
as well.

I source model railway items and accessories from the continent. The UK
retail price for items sourced through the UK agents has been almost exactly
twice the price in German retail shops. It is possible to order a UK
manufactured car, in say Holland, Belgium or Spain (these seem to be the
favourite cheap source countries) and pay anything up to 30% off the UK
retail price, even after importing it back into the UK and paying the taxes
at the border. There are means of purchasing a car without paying tax at
point of purchase that make this possible. It is a fairly common catch
phrase here about "rip off Britain"

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2002\02\13@103006 by Sean H. Breheny

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At 08:28 AM 2/13/02 -0500, you wrote:
>- some Auzzies still harbour a grudge again the POMs

Perhaps I am showing my ignorance, but I thought it was POME or perhaps
POMMY (Prisoner Of Mother England)? How did it get shortened to POM, or
does that mean something else?

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2002\02\13@135406 by steve

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> Hence bemused British tourists getting something they don't quite
> recognise as a pint in the US...

I thought that was due to the beer.

Steve.

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2002\02\13@141909 by Sean Alcorn - Avion Sydney

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on 11/2/02 8:32 AM, Paul Holthuizen at .....holthpspam_OUTspamXS4ALL.NL wrote:


> That does not strike me as crazy. Australia is a part of the world
> nowadays.

Nowadays? We were certainly part of the world when we were fighting in
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2002\02\13@172656 by Sean Alcorn - Avion Sydney

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on 14/2/02 12:28 AM, Ted Mawson at TakeThisOuTPICman.....spamTakeThisOuTPORTFOLIOPM.COM wrote:

Ted,

> - some Auzzies still harbour a grudge again the POMs

No grudge. We got the better end of the deal! :-)

The only thing most Australians have against the POMEs is that they are
still our highest intake of immigrants, yet they constantly whinge about
this country and how good it is back in the old country.

Australians are pretty easy going folks, but they simply can not tolerate
this whinging. The general attitude is "Then if it was so #$%@en great in
your own country, why don't you go home.

It's actually POME and we pronounce it "Pommie" or shorten it (like every
word in the Australian vocabulary) to Pomm. The word or acronym POME was
printed or sewn (not sure which) on the uniforms of the original settlers
and was an acronym for "Prisoner of Mother England"

Your original post was not useless. I was thinking of buying a similar
product from Velleman in Belgium. I have since looked at the Bitscope
product and received a quote from them. I can drive down and pick one up in
30 minutes, so thank you! :-)

Very rare to hear of Aussies eating our national rodent. They are mostly
exported. Such as in the case of the early eighties. We exported kangaroo
disguised as beef to the land of the free, home of the brave. We were not
popular back then, I can tell you!

Cheers,

Sean

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2002\02\13@174149 by Martin Peach

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> Very rare to hear of Aussies eating our national rodent. They are mostly
> exported. Such as in the case of the early eighties. We exported kangaroo

...which is a marsupial, not a rodent. The kangaroo rat is a rodent, though.

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2002\02\13@175149 by Eoin Ross

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The weird thing is ... "all the restaurants I went to in the outback served up kangaroo" ... thats what an American women here involved with the rugby team (can't believe how many teams there are in the USA!!) tells me - she winds up the staff @ Outback Steakhouse over that one LOL

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2002\02\13@183126 by David Duffy

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Ted wrote:
>Hmmmm,
>
>My original question was basically, is there anywhere I can buy a bitscope
>other than 'Down Under'.
>
>So far, I've learnt nothing about this so I contacted bitscope myself; they
>have kits on special, I'll probably place an order with them soon.
>
>However, I have learnt that:
>- some Auzzies still harbour a grudge again the POMs

Only the ones who whine...

>- people eat Kagaroo steaks and they taste good!

Getting more popular along with Rabbit,etc.

>- some POMs still harbour a grudge against the Auzzies

That's "Aussies" thanks !

>- some people (me included) are amused by all this ;-)
>
>I'll let y'all know how the bitscope thing goes.

With the right software, the Bitscope can be quite useful. (Hi James !)
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2002\02\13@193637 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 05:41 PM 2/13/02 -0500, you wrote:
>...which is a marsupial, not a rodent. The kangaroo rat is a rodent, though.

Canadians, on the other hand, do have a national rodent (the noble Beaver).

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2002\02\14@153943 by Ted Mawson

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Well I ordered it from the Aussies today!

I've been thinking about buying a scope for ages and this puppy is a 2
channel scope plus 8 channel logic analyzer all in one.  I have 4 PCs around
my electronic workbench so I guess that help me a little.

Seems it may take a few hours with a soldering iron but it won't be the most
ambitious thing I've ever constructed.

Then I'll be able to 'see' what's really happening on all those glitchy PIC
projects that I'm building :)

For those of you who don't know what a bitscope is, check out
http://www.bitscope.com

Thanks for all the input dudes (and dudettes) - heck it's hard being PC on
this list!

Ted  ;-)

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2002\02\14@220600 by Dwayne Reid

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At 08:28 AM 2/13/02 -0500, Ted Mawson wrote:
>Hmmmm,
>
>So far, I've learnt nothing about this so I caontacted bitscope myself; they
>have kits on special, I'll probably place an order with them soon.

I jumped over to their web site but didn't see any mention of special
pricing.  What specials do they have going?

Thanks!

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'[PIC]: Bitscope'
2002\11\04@162103 by Jan-Erik Soderholm
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(I'm not sure my earlier post about Bitscope under the [EE]:
topic made it to the list, I never saw it in my inbox anyway...)

I looked at the Bitscope a couple of months ago, and I just now
thought of building one. Now, I would like to hear from other
Bitscope owners how they built it. From the Bitscope web page,
it seems as there are a number of option all from downloading
all docs and building it from scratch, to bying a ready-built Bitscope.

Did you bought the complete kit ?
Or maybe just the PCB ?
Or even a ready-built Bitscope ?

And what about the ADC and other "special" IC's used, are
they available "down-town", or should I get them from the
Bitscope site ? (No, I havn't checked with e.g. Farnell...)

When checking the design, I saw that it uses the now
rather old (?) 16F84 (or 16F84A it seems). Is the cuircit still
up-to-date ?


>
>The bitscope is a very cool tool, is it not....using it for the first time
>was like turning on the lights after working in a dark room....
>
>Chris
>

Jan-Erik Svderholm
S:t Anna Data
Sweden

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