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'[PIC]: Best Development System for F877 & ....'
2001\06\29@231008 by Kev

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Okay, I give up trying to build my own programmer.

What is the best bang for the buck for something that will program a 16F877
and support ICSP and perhaps ICD?

Picstart?
Rom Zap/ Pocket Programmer
Peter Andersons package?

Other?

C compiler would be a plus (FORTH would be awesome...)

Something that would also support 18CXXX would be nice too.

Thanks,
Kevin

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2001\06\30@045403 by Roman Black

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Kev wrote:
>
> Okay, I give up trying to build my own programmer.
>
> What is the best bang for the buck for something that will program a 16F877
> and support ICSP and perhaps ICD?
>
> Picstart?
> Rom Zap/ Pocket Programmer
> Peter Andersons package?


Kev, I give the PicStart Plus a big thumbs up.
I have home-made ICSP connectors for mine, I can
attach it to my protoboard unit, and using MPLAB
I just click the mouse and dump the new code into
the PIC on the protoboard. So I can make hardware
or software changes in a second and be testing it
in a few seconds. Check with some of the suppliers
you can often get a PSP deal for about $100 US,
and it will do almost any PIC and is upgradeable.
:o)
-Roman

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2001\06\30@194811 by Byron A Jeff

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>
> Okay, I give up trying to build my own programmer.

What happened? Tait style programmers are trivial to build. This post
motivated me to get off my butt and build a page describing the trivial
low voltage programmer I put together based on a thread we had here
over a year ago:

http://www.infosite.com/~jkeyzer/piclist/2000/Mar/2126.html

Note the password and login are both piclist.

Here is my new site:

http://www.finitesite.com/d3jsys/index.html

So instead of answering with a long thread I can point folks there.

>
> What is the best bang for the buck for something that will program a 16F877
> and support ICSP and perhaps ICD?
>
> Picstart?
> Rom Zap/ Pocket Programmer
> Peter Andersons package?
>
> Other?

I happen to like Wouter's wloader. Check out the link and discussion on my
page. It's a bootloader with a simple interface. No ICD but instead of
ICSP it uses any single pin you pick for the programming interface.

In any case you may still want to examine a homemade programmer simply
because if you go the ICD/bootloader route, you won't need a programmer
for little more than getting the bootloader into the chip.

BAJ

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'[PIC]: Best Development System for F877 & ....'
2001\07\02@181332 by Mike Mansheim
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> Kev, I give the PicStart Plus a big thumbs up.
> I have home-made ICSP connectors for mine, I can
> attach it to my protoboard unit

if using ICSP with the picstart, just make sure you keep the
cable short

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2001\07\02@190327 by Bob Ammerman

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> > Kev, I give the PicStart Plus a big thumbs up.
> > I have home-made ICSP connectors for mine, I can
> > attach it to my protoboard unit
>
> if using ICSP with the picstart, just make sure you keep the
> cable short
>

And don't try to power the target circuit with the Picstart!

Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems
(contract development of high performance, high function, low-level software

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2001\07\02@203607 by Bob Barr

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Mike Mansheim wrote:

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>if using ICSP with the picstart, just make sure you keep the
>cable short
>

How short is short enough? (More accurately, how long is too long?)

Does anyone have an experienced-based recommendation as to cable type and
maximum length? Twisted pair, flat ribbon?


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2001\07\02@204520 by David VanHorn

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At 08:36 PM 7/2/01 -0400, Bob Barr wrote:
>Mike Mansheim wrote:
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>>if using ICSP with the picstart, just make sure you keep the
>>cable short
>
>How short is short enough? (More accurately, how long is too long?)
>
>Does anyone have an experienced-based recommendation as to cable type and
>maximum length? Twisted pair, flat ribbon?

6' here, of garden variety flat cable.
Worked like hell, till the latest picstart rev, then fine.

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2001\07\03@035618 by Roman Black

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Mike Mansheim wrote:
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> > Kev, I give the PicStart Plus a big thumbs up.
> > I have home-made ICSP connectors for mine, I can
> > attach it to my protoboard unit
>
> if using ICSP with the picstart, just make sure you keep the
> cable short

2 foot long is fine, if you run separate wires
(not ribbon or multicore). I have a few harnesses
this length and never had a problem.
-Roman

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