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'[PIC]: Beginning With PICs'
2001\12\03@032357 by Khalid Swesseh

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> I want to start working with PIC,I heared that the PIC16f84 is the
> best one to start with
> But there are alot of KITs and Compilers to use
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> What do you recommend ?
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2001\12\03@034514 by Mahmood Elnasser

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I recommend  u start with pic16f876 , it has a bootloader u can download
from internet which makes programming through serial port of a pc , and the
code is compatible with 16f84 .

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2001\12\03@040008 by Vasile Surducan

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On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Khalid Swesseh wrote:

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2001\12\03@084235 by Dale Botkin

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On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Khalid Swesseh wrote:

> > I want to start working with PIC,I heared that the PIC16f84 is the
> > best one to start with
> > But there are alot of KITs and Compilers to use
> >
> > What do you recommend ?

If I were starting out fresh:

MPLAB assembler/IDE
WARP-13 programmer
PIC16F876

This will get you going with assembly.  If you want to wok in C:
CCS C compiler (PCM or PCW)

Of course, everybody has their own opinion.  I'm sure you'll hear lots
more!  The lesson here is, thee are lots of different ways to get started,
do your research and figure out which is right for you.  Some people need
to get going as cheap as possible, others need something aceptable for
commercial design in a coprorate environment, whatever.  There are lots of
different ways to go about it.

Dale

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2001\12\08@212637 by Titus Barik

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On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Khalid Swesseh wrote:

> > Hi
> >
> > I want to start working with PIC,I heared that the PIC16f84 is the
> > best one to start with
> > But there are alot of KITs and Compilers to use
> >
> > What do you recommend ?

Jumping in on this thread:

I'm also a beginner who is interested in PIC programming. However, I
also have the additional requirement that the software I use must run
under Linux and be free or (better) GPL.

From these requirements, can someone recommend to me a good
microcontroller and software setup?

Thanks,

Titus Barik (spam_OUTbarikTakeThisOuTspamtechspot.com)
AIM: TBarik  ICQ: 1604453

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2001\12\09@003920 by Don Krause

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I use picasm as the assembler, and picp which talks to my Picstart Plus
Programmer. Works great, faster than MPLab on windows.

Another programmer I know uses MPLab under wine on linux with good
success.

(And if you hate the MPLab IDE, but want the "official" assembler,
MPASM.EXE works great under wine, while you still get your preferred
work environment)

If you don't have a Picstart Plus programmer, then picprg can be used to
talk to a cheap parallel port programmer. (Like the noppp unit
http://www.covingtoninnovations.com/noppp/ , which is easily modified to
work with the 16F876 and 16F877 pics. )

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2001\12\09@052805 by uter van ooijen & floortje hanneman

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> Jumping in on this thread:
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> I'm also a beginner who is interested in PIC programming. However, I
> also have the additional requirement that the software I use must run
> under Linux and be free or (better) GPL.

- have a look at http://www.gnupic.org for GPL stuff
- Jal compiler (free, not GPL, see signature) runs on linux
- AFAIK mpasm (Microchips assembler, command line version, free , not GPL)
runs under dosemu

Wouter van Ooijen

Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: http://www.voti.nl
Jal compiler for PIC uC's:  http://www.voti.nl/jal

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2001\12\09@093902 by Scott Dattalo

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On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Titus Barik wrote:

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> Jumping in on this thread:
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> I'm also a beginner who is interested in PIC programming. However, I
> also have the additional requirement that the software I use must run
> under Linux and be free or (better) GPL.

Just curious, but why is Linux a requirement?

Head over to:

http://www.gnupic.org/

Join the gnupic mailing list.

Here's what I use:

assembler: gpasm
simulator: gpsim
programmer: picp, Linux driver for PicStart+



Scott

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2001\12\09@122414 by Byron A Jeff

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On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 08:36:02PM -0800, Don Krause wrote:
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> If you don't have a Picstart Plus programmer, then picprg can be used to
> talk to a cheap parallel port programmer. (Like the noppp unit
> http://www.covingtoninnovations.com/noppp/ , which is easily modified to
> work with the 16F876 and 16F877 pics. )

And if you want a programmer with a smaller part count, then you can take
a look at my Trivial Low Voltage Programmer:

http://www.finitesite.com/d3jsys

It takes about $8 in RadioShack parts and can be put together in less than an
hour. It programs 16F87X and 16F62X parts out of the box, works with an
updated version of Brian Lane's picprog which I have on the site, and can
do high voltage programming with some minimal modifications.

BAJ

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2001\12\09@132923 by Byron A Jeff

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On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 07:14:14AM +0100, wouter van ooijen & floortje hanneman wrote:
> > Jumping in on this thread:
> >
> > I'm also a beginner who is interested in PIC programming. However, I
> > also have the additional requirement that the software I use must run
> > under Linux and be free or (better) GPL.
>
> - have a look at http://www.gnupic.org for GPL stuff
> - Jal compiler (free, not GPL, see signature) runs on linux
> - AFAIK mpasm (Microchips assembler, command line version, free , not GPL)
> runs under dosemu

mpasm is probably too much trouble. gpasm is an outstanding tool for doing
development in an Linux environment. Interestingly enough the only piece
of software that can't get assembled with it is Wouter's wloader source.
An issue with macro handling of the '#v(..)' directive. Craig Franklin is
working diligently to get it working. I'm hoping to see it soon.

You can take a look on my PIC page to see my Linux toolchain:

http://www.finitesite.com/d3jsys

BAJ

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2001\12\09@170803 by Byron A Jeff

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On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 06:23:55AM -0800, Scott Dattalo wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Titus Barik wrote:
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> >
> > Jumping in on this thread:
> >
> > I'm also a beginner who is interested in PIC programming. However, I
> > also have the additional requirement that the software I use must run
> > under Linux and be free or (better) GPL.
>
> Just curious, but why is Linux a requirement?

Seems obvious to me. That's the system he's currently using.

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> Head over to:
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> http://www.gnupic.org/

Absolutely.

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> Join the gnupic mailing list.

Right on target.

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> Here's what I use:
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> assembler: gpasm

Me too! Me too! ;-)

> simulator: gpsim

Yup.

> programmer: picp, Linux driver for PicStart+

I use a modified version of Brian Lane's picprg with my Trivial Low Voltage
Programmer. You can find it here:

http://www.finitesite.com/d3jsys

BAJ
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2001\12\09@190039 by Benjamin Bromilow

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Lots of Linux software out there.
I'd recommend the NOPPP programmer.
Software available for Linux and Windows
Can program 16F84(A), 16F87x and 16F82x

Ben
http://website.lineone.net/~btbromilow/hereare.htm

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2001\12\10@122136 by Titus Barik

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On Sun, 9 Dec 2001, Scott Dattalo wrote:
> Just curious, but why is Linux a requirement?

I use Linux exclusively on several of my workstations (specifically,
Debain). So, naturally, I would like the software and hardware I use to
work under it.

> assembler: gpasm
> simulator: gpsim
> programmer: picp, Linux driver for PicStart+

Awesome, thanks.  These should do the trick.

Titus Barik (barikspamKILLspamtechspot.com)
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P.S. I'm starting from ground zero with this PIC stuff. Expect lots of
questions. :)

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