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2003\11\12@180106 by Ruben Aguilera

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I don't wish to be annoying but as instructed I have to post this message
again, this is my first message to the list,many apologies.

I recently acquire a serial 16F84 programmer and a PIC, Does anyone have a
suggestion on a www page to search for applications, I want to use the pic
for small projects of pneumatic control, this means some kind of magnetic
/light   detection , probably one analog input also , I'm beginning to
learn the basic programming skills, I know that this is probably to much
for the 16F84, but I want to use the 16F84 first and then in time jump to
the  68C11(analog inputs).

Thanks and Regards to all.

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2003\11\12@182558 by Tech

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> I don't wish to be annoying but as instructed I have to post this message
> again, this is my first message to the list,many apologies.
>
> I recently acquire a serial 16F84 programmer and a PIC, Does anyone have a
> suggestion on a www page to search for applications, I want to use the pic
> for small projects of pneumatic control, this means some kind of magnetic
> /light   detection , probably one analog input also , I'm beginning to
> learn the basic programming skills, I know that this is probably to much
> for the 16F84, but I want to use the 16F84 first and then in time jump to
> the  68C11(analog inputs).
>
> Thanks and Regards to all.

Why not start at the Microchip application notes section here
http://www.microchip.com/1010/suppdoc/appnote/index.htm

They have enough to keep you busy for a good while.

Regards,

-Bruce
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2003\11\13@032046 by

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Ruben Aguilera wrote :
> I don't wish to be annoying but as instructed I have to post this message
> again, this is my first message to the list,many apologies.

Well, *some* message just has to be the first, right ? :-)

> I recently acquire a serial 16F84 programmer and a PIC,

What programer more specificaly ? Maybe it can program some
newer PIC models that the now obsolete 16F84 ?

> Does anyone have a
> suggestion on a www page to search for applications, I want to use the pic
> for small projects of pneumatic control, this means some kind of magnetic
> /light   detection , probably one analog input also...

I think it's easier to find information on each "part" of what you'd
like to do. That is, look for "light detection" when that is an issue,
look for "analog input" when *that* is needed, and so on. That might be
easier then to find a complete application for a specific use.

>  , I'm beginning to
> learn the basic programming skills, I know that this is probably to much
> for the 16F84,...

Why not just skip the 16F84 then ?

> but I want to use the 16F84 first and then in time jump to
> the  68C11(analog inputs).

Isn't the 68C11 from a completly different line of microcontrolers (Motorola ?) ?
I think you should decide on *which* microcontrolers you'd like to
use first, then get all information about that. This mail-list is about the
microcontrolers from Microchip.

B.t.w, check this page for basic PIC information : http://www.voti.nl/swp/index.html.

Best Regards and good luck !!

Jan-Erik.

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2003\11\13@042012 by Alan B. Pearce

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>I know that this is probably to much
> for the 16F84, but I want to use the
>16F84 first and then in time jump to
> the  68C11(analog inputs).

Why not start straight in with a 16F876 which already has analogue inputs,
and has an Incircuit Debugger capability, or better yet an 18F252 which has
a nicer architecture than the 16F series, along with analogue inputs and
still has a debugger capability, although you need to buy an ICD2 to deal
with this. This way you are not changing processor architecture in mid
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2003\11\13@070721 by Byron A Jeff

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On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 04:30:45PM -0700, Tech wrote:
> > I don't wish to be annoying but as instructed I have to post this message
> > again, this is my first message to the list,many apologies.
> >
> > I recently acquire a serial 16F84 programmer and a PIC, Does anyone have a
> > suggestion on a www page to search for applications, I want to use the pic
> > for small projects of pneumatic control, this means some kind of magnetic
> > /light   detection , probably one analog input also , I'm beginning to
> > learn the basic programming skills, I know that this is probably to much
> > for the 16F84, but I want to use the 16F84 first and then in time jump to
> > the  68C11(analog inputs).
> >
> > Thanks and Regards to all.
>
> Why not start at the Microchip application notes section here
> http://www.microchip.com/1010/suppdoc/appnote/index.htm

Also the Midrange Manual is a must have.

And as always: use the datasheet Luke!

BAJ

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2003\11\13@072417 by Olin Lathrop

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> but I want to use the 16F84 first and then in time jump to
> the  68C11(analog inputs).

Huh?  What's a 68C11?  That looks vaguely like a Motorola part number.
There is no commonality between these two parts other than they are both
microcontrollers (I presume that's what a 68C11 is from context).

There are many PICs with analog inputs.  You don't need to jump
manufacturers for that.  Unless you've got some very unusual requirements,
the PIC line is a good place to be.  It has a broad range of offerings in
two basic families (that are worth talking about), soon to be three.

For general hobby use and particularly for starting out, I recommend the
PIC 18 family.  These will do fine except for some high volume designs or
when you really need something smaller than 28 pins.  The fixed 18F1320
parts will soon be released, so that will take the family down to 18 pins.
The 18 family architecture is also easier to learn.  For a hobbyist, there
is little reason anymore to bother with the 16 family.

Toss the 16F84s.  Get a few 18F252s and don't look back.


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2003\11\13@083516 by Peter Moreton

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Olin,
What is the third product family you mention? - I guess the two basic
families are the 16F and 18F ranges, is there another product range
about to be announced?

Thanks, Peter Moreton

> the PIC line is a good place to be.  It has a broad range of offerings
in
>two basic families (that are worth talking about), soon to be three.

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2003\11\13@083724 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> is there another product range
> about to be announced?

I guess Olin refers to the long-awaited dsPIC?

Wouter van Ooijen

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2003\11\13@100740 by Herbert Graf

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> Olin,
> What is the third product family you mention? - I guess the two basic
> families are the 16F and 18F ranges, is there another product range
> about to be announced?

       dsPIC, announced a long time ago, promised a while ago, still vapourware
for most of us. I'm not sure what's taking so long but I think they've over
hyped the parts (like Bluetooth). TTYL

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2003\11\13@112827 by Olin Lathrop

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> What is the third product family you mention? - I guess the two basic
> families are the 16F and 18F ranges, is there another product range
> about to be announced?

Yes, the 30F or "dsPIC".

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2003\11\13@113036 by Olin Lathrop

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Herbert Graf wrote:
>         dsPIC, announced a long time ago, promised a while ago, still
> vapourware for most of us. I'm not sure what's taking so long but I
> think they've over hyped the parts (like Bluetooth).

Well, "prehyped" is more accurate I think.  They really are nice parts,
but they have been a long time coming.  The vapor is getting a little
thicker.  Engineering samples are out there.


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2003\11\13@123454 by gtyler

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Rather let Microchip finish them in peace than give us a product with bugs
like the 18Fxx20 series!

George

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2003\11\13@174233 by Herbert Graf

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> Herbert Graf wrote:
> >         dsPIC, announced a long time ago, promised a while ago, still
> > vapourware for most of us. I'm not sure what's taking so long but I
> > think they've over hyped the parts (like Bluetooth).
>
> Well, "prehyped" is more accurate I think.  They really are nice parts,
> but they have been a long time coming.  The vapor is getting a little
> thicker.  Engineering samples are out there.

       Yes, I guess prehyped is more appropriate. Fact of the matter is most of
the excitement I had when I first heard about these chips is pretty much
gone now. Perhaps that will change when I actually get my hands on one of
them. We shall see! :) TTYL

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2003\11\13@181556 by Olin Lathrop

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>         Yes, I guess prehyped is more appropriate. Fact of the matter
> is most of the excitement I had when I first heard about these chips is
> pretty much
> gone now. Perhaps that will change when I actually get my hands on one
> of
> them. We shall see!

I have had my hands on some, and they are pretty cool.  I've got one
managing two switching power supplies pulse by pulse.  One of these
performs power factor correction without current feedback, which envolves
a divide and a square root, in addition to the servo algorithm for
maitaining the output voltage in the right range.


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2003\11\13@193148 by John Ferrell

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These url's will be a good start.
http://www.interq.or.jp/japan/se-inoue/e_menu.htm

http://www.geocities.com/vsurducan/electro/PIC/pic.htm

http://www.voti.nl/pic/index.html

http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/joecolquitt/0f84rc.html

http://ubasics.com/adam/pic/archive.shtml

http://elproducts.com/Hobbyist.htm

http://www.dontronics.com/cat_hard_micro_pic.html#628spec

http://jap.hu/electronic/

http://www.myke.com/

http://www.devrs.com/pic/

http://sq-1.com/

http://www.wolfgang-kynast.de/pic.htm

http://www.rentron.com/

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If you have 16F84's, go ahead and use them. The 16F628's do more, cost less.
At some point in time you may want to focus on a particular line of the
devices. The tools available don't always support everything.

You can go a long way with nothing more than the free software and
information on Microchips we site. Note that the assembler program has a
simulator built in!

John Ferrell
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