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2004\02\13@024654 by Luis Moreira

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Hi Guys
I just bought the Microchip development system that gets the ICD 2 and the
PICDEM 2 PLUS board.
on that board I have the ICD socket, as I want to use the ICD2 as a
programmer where can I buy this sockets Bering in mind I am in the UK.
regards
               Luis

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2004\02\13@031636 by Peter Moreton

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Luis,

The ICD-2 programming / debug connection is implemented using regular
RJ11 plugs and sockets. You need the 6 pin variety, althougth the 8 pin
versions will work OK. You can buy these from RS (rshttp://www.com) and
probably Maplin (maplin.co.uk)

You may find that you can scavenge suitable RJ-11's from bits of old
telecoms kit, if you happen to have them around, but the parts cost
pennies, so it's best just to order some.

Regards, Peter Moreton


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2004\02\13@032504 by hael Rigby-Jones

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>From: Luis Moreira [spam_OUTLuis.MoreiraTakeThisOuTspamJET.EFDA.ORG]
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>Hi Guys
>I just bought the Microchip development system that gets the
>ICD 2 and the PICDEM 2 PLUS board. on that board I have the
>ICD socket, as I want to use the ICD2 as a programmer where
>can I buy this sockets Bering in mind I am in the UK. regards
>                Luis

Farnel and RS both sell the 6 way RJ11 connector.  On http://www.farnell.com
look under the following catalogue entries: A-C / Connectors / Modular /
Other

There is a large range of PCB mount connectors, screened and unscreened,
vertical and horizontal mounting.

Regards

Mike




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2004\02\13@034618 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> I just bought the Microchip development system that gets the
> ICD 2 and the
> PICDEM 2 PLUS board.
> on that board I have the ICD socket, as I want to use the ICD2 as a
> programmer where can I buy this sockets Bering in mind I am in the UK.
> regards

They are not in my shop page but I have them in stock for my own use so
I can sell them. But I guess you can buy them in any well-equipped
electronics store. What I have is not exactly the same socket, but does
accept the same plug. See http://www.voti.nl/dwarf/doc/DB016.pdf, black
socket on the right side of the board.

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2004\02\13@034828 by techy fellow

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I have recently started to use the same package you are using. If you are talking about using the ICD2 as a programmer to program PICs plugged into the PICDEM2 Plus board, you can use one of the cable that looks like a telephone cable except that there are 6 wires instead of 4. This cable should be incldued in the package.

Just FYI. Mine comes with the following items in the box; ICD2, PICDEM2 Plus board, 9V DC power supply (Wall wart), USB cable (A <-> B), Serial cable, the 6-wire cable, CDs and Installation guide.

Luis Moreira <Luis.MoreiraspamKILLspamJET.EFDA.ORG> wrote:
Hi Guys
I just bought the Microchip development system that gets the ICD 2 and the
PICDEM 2 PLUS board.
on that board I have the ICD socket, as I want to use the ICD2 as a
programmer where can I buy this sockets Bering in mind I am in the UK.
regards
Luis

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2004\02\13@035654 by Luis Moreira

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Thank you all for the help I just found a source for them which in top of it
all is a preferred supplier for my company, just perfect. Is typical of
Farnell, they seam to have everything but you can never find anything on
their site...
regards
               Luis

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2004\02\13@224130 by Mike Hord

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The first thing I did when I got my ICD2 was to make a pigtail to convert
the RJ
to a SIP.  The second thing was to dig out a six conductor RJ-11 terminated
cable, lop of one end and replace it with a SIP.

I don't like the RJ-11 jack.  It's bulky and hard to use with breadboards.

So far, so good.  I don't know for sure if I would ever design a product
around
the SIP header, though, because there's got to be a good reason they choose
to use the RJ-11.

Anyone know why?

Mike H.

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2004\02\13@224130 by Mike Hord

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The first thing I did when I got my ICD2 was to make a pigtail to convert
the RJ
to a SIP.  The second thing was to dig out a six conductor RJ-11 terminated
cable, lop of one end and replace it with a SIP.

I don't like the RJ-11 jack.  It's bulky and hard to use with breadboards.

So far, so good.  I don't know for sure if I would ever design a product
around
the SIP header, though, because there's got to be a good reason they choose
to use the RJ-11.

Anyone know why?

Mike H.

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2004\02\13@225958 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 09:41 PM 2/13/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>The first thing I did when I got my ICD2 was to make a pigtail to convert
>the RJ
>to a SIP.  The second thing was to dig out a six conductor RJ-11 terminated
>cable, lop of one end and replace it with a SIP.
>
>I don't like the RJ-11 jack.  It's bulky and hard to use with breadboards.
>
>So far, so good.  I don't know for sure if I would ever design a product
>around
>the SIP header, though, because there's got to be a good reason they choose
>to use the RJ-11.
>
>Anyone know why?

The double-ended cables are cheap, rugged and easily replaced by the
(l) user, in the field, so they don't bother M*crochip?

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2004\02\13@225958 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 09:41 PM 2/13/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>The first thing I did when I got my ICD2 was to make a pigtail to convert
>the RJ
>to a SIP.  The second thing was to dig out a six conductor RJ-11 terminated
>cable, lop of one end and replace it with a SIP.
>
>I don't like the RJ-11 jack.  It's bulky and hard to use with breadboards.
>
>So far, so good.  I don't know for sure if I would ever design a product
>around
>the SIP header, though, because there's got to be a good reason they choose
>to use the RJ-11.
>
>Anyone know why?

The double-ended cables are cheap, rugged and easily replaced by the
(l) user, in the field, so they don't bother M*crochip?

Best regards,

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2004\02\13@233111 by Bob Axtell

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Mike Hord wrote:
> The first thing I did when I got my ICD2 was to make a pigtail to convert
> the RJ
> to a SIP.  The second thing was to dig out a six conductor RJ-11 terminated
> cable, lop of one end and replace it with a SIP.
>
> I don't like the RJ-11 jack.  It's bulky and hard to use with breadboards.
>
> So far, so good.  I don't know for sure if I would ever design a product
> around
> the SIP header, though, because there's got to be a good reason they choose
> to use the RJ-11.
>

They chose it because, with its gold-against-gold contact points, its
the most reliable CONVENIENT connector ever designed by man. Its cheap,
as well.

The military contractors make the MOST reliable connectors.

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2004\02\13@233111 by Bob Axtell

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Mike Hord wrote:
> The first thing I did when I got my ICD2 was to make a pigtail to convert
> the RJ
> to a SIP.  The second thing was to dig out a six conductor RJ-11 terminated
> cable, lop of one end and replace it with a SIP.
>
> I don't like the RJ-11 jack.  It's bulky and hard to use with breadboards.
>
> So far, so good.  I don't know for sure if I would ever design a product
> around
> the SIP header, though, because there's got to be a good reason they choose
> to use the RJ-11.
>

They chose it because, with its gold-against-gold contact points, its
the most reliable CONVENIENT connector ever designed by man. Its cheap,
as well.

The military contractors make the MOST reliable connectors.

--Bob

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2004\02\16@075523 by Howard Winter

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I've lost track of who was the Original Poster (OP)...

> > I just bought the Microchip development system that gets the ICD 2 and the PICDEM 2 PLUS board. on that
board I have the ICD socket, as I want to use the ICD2 as a programmer where can I buy this sockets Bering in
mind I am in the UK.

Maplin sell what I think is the one, under the name "FCC68 modular socket", type 6C6P (6 contacts in a 6
position shell).  Their part number is JW45Y, and they're GB£0.69 each.  The annoying thing that I find about
these is that the PCB pins are offset (look under your PICDEM2 to see what I mean) so they won't fit in
Veroboard, or any other 0.1" pitch board layout.

Go to http://www.maplin.co.uk if you don't know where to find their nearest shop.  Good luck!

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:45:18 +0100, Wouter van Ooijen wrote:

> They are not in my shop page but I have them in stock for my own use so
> I can sell them. But I guess you can buy them in any well-equipped
> electronics store. What I have is not exactly the same socket, but does
> accept the same plug. See http://www.voti.nl/dwarf/doc/DB016.pdf, black
> socket on the right side of the board.

Wouter, I note on the last page of this document you describe the connector as "RJ45" - that would be an 8-pin
connector, whereas the one the OP was asking about is 6-pin, which I think is called "RJ11".

Cheers,

Howard Winter
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2004\02\16@075523 by Howard Winter

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I've lost track of who was the Original Poster (OP)...

> > I just bought the Microchip development system that gets the ICD 2 and the PICDEM 2 PLUS board. on that
board I have the ICD socket, as I want to use the ICD2 as a programmer where can I buy this sockets Bering in
mind I am in the UK.

Maplin sell what I think is the one, under the name "FCC68 modular socket", type 6C6P (6 contacts in a 6
position shell).  Their part number is JW45Y, and they're GB£0.69 each.  The annoying thing that I find about
these is that the PCB pins are offset (look under your PICDEM2 to see what I mean) so they won't fit in
Veroboard, or any other 0.1" pitch board layout.

Go to http://www.maplin.co.uk if you don't know where to find their nearest shop.  Good luck!

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:45:18 +0100, Wouter van Ooijen wrote:

> They are not in my shop page but I have them in stock for my own use so
> I can sell them. But I guess you can buy them in any well-equipped
> electronics store. What I have is not exactly the same socket, but does
> accept the same plug. See http://www.voti.nl/dwarf/doc/DB016.pdf, black
> socket on the right side of the board.

Wouter, I note on the last page of this document you describe the connector as "RJ45" - that would be an 8-pin
connector, whereas the one the OP was asking about is 6-pin, which I think is called "RJ11".

Cheers,

Howard Winter
St.Albans, England

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2004\02\16@080558 by Alan B. Pearce

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>whereas the one the OP was asking about is
>6-pin, which I think is called "RJ11".

My understanding is that the RJ11 is the 6 pin shell, with 4 pins fitted.
RJ12 is 6 pin shell with 6 pins fitted.

However I am very open to correction on this.

Perhaps someone with definitive knowledge can provide a quick definitive
list of these RJ connectors.

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2004\02\16@080558 by Alan B. Pearce

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>whereas the one the OP was asking about is
>6-pin, which I think is called "RJ11".

My understanding is that the RJ11 is the 6 pin shell, with 4 pins fitted.
RJ12 is 6 pin shell with 6 pins fitted.

However I am very open to correction on this.

Perhaps someone with definitive knowledge can provide a quick definitive
list of these RJ connectors.

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2004\02\16@080805 by Howard Winter

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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:41:00 -0600, Mike Hord wrote:

>...<

> I don't like the RJ-11 jack.  It's bulky and hard to use with breadboards.
>
> So far, so good.  I don't know for sure if I would ever design a product around the SIP header, though,
because there's got to be a good reason they choose to use the RJ-11.
>
> Anyone know why?

Well off the top of my head:
It's easier to incorporate into the "Hockey puck" design of the ICD2 - a SIP header would be awkward and would
have to exit the flat top/bottom, rather than radially, and it would be hidden inside an awkward rectangular
hole;
it's a consumer-grade connector, gold-plated, and strain-relieved, with a retention-clip, and impossible to
insert backwards or offset, so it's likely to be more reliable than SIP;
replacement cables are available everywhere, cheaply, in many different lengths - SIP-terminated cables are
pretty-much DIY, needing special crimping tools or a soldering iron to connect wires to those fiddly little
terminals;

But you're quite right about using it with breadboards - that offset pattern of PCB pins is a right pain!

Cheers,

Howard Winter
St.Albans, England

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2004\02\16@080805 by Howard Winter

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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:41:00 -0600, Mike Hord wrote:

>...<

> I don't like the RJ-11 jack.  It's bulky and hard to use with breadboards.
>
> So far, so good.  I don't know for sure if I would ever design a product around the SIP header, though,
because there's got to be a good reason they choose to use the RJ-11.
>
> Anyone know why?

Well off the top of my head:
It's easier to incorporate into the "Hockey puck" design of the ICD2 - a SIP header would be awkward and would
have to exit the flat top/bottom, rather than radially, and it would be hidden inside an awkward rectangular
hole;
it's a consumer-grade connector, gold-plated, and strain-relieved, with a retention-clip, and impossible to
insert backwards or offset, so it's likely to be more reliable than SIP;
replacement cables are available everywhere, cheaply, in many different lengths - SIP-terminated cables are
pretty-much DIY, needing special crimping tools or a soldering iron to connect wires to those fiddly little
terminals;

But you're quite right about using it with breadboards - that offset pattern of PCB pins is a right pain!

Cheers,

Howard Winter
St.Albans, England

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