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'[PIC:] ICD2 - worth getting for a hobbyist?'
2004\06\26@123856 by mark allen

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Hi. I'm a artist/hobbyist who does a fair amount work with pics, and I'm
wondering if people would be willing to offer an opinion on if getting
the icd2 is worthwhile, and what aspects of it make it useful. Currently
I have a pic start plus, which entails pulling the chip in and out of
circuit everytime I need to program the chip.

Honestly, I'm looking for an excuse to buy more stuff ;)

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2004\06\26@131047 by Robert B.

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I can't offer advice about ICD2 (too rich for my hobbyist blood!) but I can
offer some advice about ICSP.  Use it!  Its usually the first thing I build
into any circuit that does more than blink leds.  Then comes the RS232
connection for debugging.  Between the two it takes  a little more (ok a lot
more) work than an ICD2 would, but works fairly well for even complicated
programs and is lots cheaper.  If picstart plus doesn't support ICSP then
maybe try getting one that does.  But then again if you want an excuse to
buy an ICD2, just get it!

P.S. For programming PICS I use the cheap olimex parallel port programmer
(http://www.sparkfun.com/shop/index.php?shop=1&cart=74609&cat=3) along with
ICPROG software.  Also they have a much cheaper drop-in replacement for the
ICD2 as well, granted it doesn't have the nifty microchip(tm) case...


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2004\06\26@140110 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> Currently
> I have a pic start plus, which entails pulling the chip in and out of
> circuit everytime I need to program the chip.

IMHO ex-circuit programming sucks for development work on Flash chips.
Switch to in-circuit programming, either by using the PS+ in-circuit
(might work, might not work), or by getting another progger (my Wisp628
for instance :). ICD2 is much more expensive than a basic in-circuit
progger, but it ads in-circuit debugging. I don't use a debugger very
often, but when you would use a debugger for a PC program you will
probably love in-circuit debugging.

Wouter van Ooijen

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2004\06\26@185344 by Igor Pokorny

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Look at http://www.mcu.cz/modules/news/article.php?storyid=449

You could save a couple of bucks.

Igor

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2004\06\28@115336 by Mike Hord

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A year ago I would have unreservedly recommended the Warp-13 to
you, since it does ICSP and socket programming, and is really reliable,
and quite cheap, and PS+ compatible.

Now, though, with the ICD2 being as cheap as it is, I'm hard pressed
to advise anyone to pass it up.  It does have that "Flash only"
drawback, but is that really that big a deal?

Mike H.

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2004\06\28@122005 by Joe Jansen

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Sadly, it frequently is.  My largest customer wants his master chips
done in CMOS chips, and the production chips are all OTP.  The only
flash programming I do is hobby work.  :^(



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2004\06\28@122459 by David VanHorn

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At 12:19 PM 6/28/2004 -0400, Joe Jansen wrote:

>Sadly, it frequently is.  My largest customer wants his master chips
>done in CMOS chips, and the production chips are all OTP.  The only
>flash programming I do is hobby work.  :^(

I had Zilog offer me a low cost part once, except that it was MASK ONLY!

No emulator, no simulator, no OTP, no flash, and no windowed parts.
They would give a "good deal" on the mask charges though.

I'm guessing they never sold many, or they later produced some development support.

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2004\06\29@175021 by Mike Hord

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>Sadly, it frequently is.  My largest customer wants his master chips
>done in CMOS chips, and the production chips are all OTP.  The only
>flash programming I do is hobby work.  :^(

...which is what the original question was.  I suppose I didn't EXPLICITLY
say that I was speaking to the hobbyist, but there you go.

The Warp-13 is a great tool if you need the EPROM based chip access,
and with a little finesse can usually do ICSP too.  It has a header for it,
so no socket-to-header gizmo needed, just some series resistors.

Mike H.

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