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2004\08\19@204012 by Zack

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Hello All:
       I'm looking for an assembler for PIC for Windows.  I think most
people use MPASM, but it doesn't support the 16Fxxx series (except for
16F83/4).  Anyone have a good one they can share?

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2004\08\19@210750 by Wouter van Ooijen

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>         I'm looking for an assembler for PIC for Windows.  I
> think most
> people use MPASM, but it doesn't support the 16Fxxx series (except for
> 16F83/4).  Anyone have a good one they can share?

Sure, get a more recent version of MPASM. Free from Microchip, comes
with MPLAB.

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2004\08\19@211621 by John J. McDonough

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>         I'm looking for an assembler for PIC for Windows.  I think most
> people use MPASM, but it doesn't support the 16Fxxx series (except for
> 16F83/4).  Anyone have a good one they can share?

MPLAB supports about everything.  However, if you are using a slightly older
version of Windoze, MPLAB won't install unless you have at least version 5.5
of Internet Exploder installed.  Don't know if you go after only MPASM
whether you can get away without IE, but without the MPLAB you're missing
out on a whole lot.  Getting that whole lot does mean investing prodigious
amounts of disk space, however.

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2004\08\19@213734 by Zack

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Thanks!

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>         I'm looking for an assembler for PIC for Windows.  I
> think most
> people use MPASM, but it doesn't support the 16Fxxx series (except for
> 16F83/4).  Anyone have a good one they can share?

Sure, get a more recent version of MPASM. Free from Microchip, comes
with MPLAB.

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2004\08\20@031638 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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Zack wrote :

> Hello All:

Hi and good morning (or whatever...)

> I'm looking for an assembler for PIC for Windows.

- Goto http://www.microchip.com
- Click "Development Tools" from the "Products" menu to the left.
- On next screen, click "Software".
- On next screen, Click "MPLAB. IDE v6.60 and v6.61"

There you are !
Use v6.60 (skip the v6.61 "Interim Release").

> I think most people use MPASM,...

Well, MPASM is one of the tools that MPLAB calls "under the hood"
to build your application. Normaly you don't bother, MPLAB will
handle everything for you and call MPASM (and other tools) when needed.

> but it doesn't support the 16Fxxx series (except for 16F83/4).

He he, it would be *very* interesting to see the source of *that*
piece of information !!

>  Anyone have a good one they can share?

I'm sure Microchip would be more then happy to share ! :-)

Jan-Erik.

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2004\08\20@062312 by dr. Imre Bartfai

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Hi,

I think http://www.tech-tools.com is a worth of a look. They took the Parallax
assembler which offer a nice alternative against classical MPASM, so I use
it extensively (the BTFSS/BTFSC are not my best friend, but JB/JZ/JC are).
I am not related with them in any way, of course. They have some free
version which is not crippled - at least for DOS.

Imre

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, Zack wrote:

> Thanks!
>
> {Original Message removed}

2004\08\20@063934 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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dr. Imre Bartfai wrote :

> Hi,
>
> I think http://www.tech-tools.com is a worth of a look...

Hi.
What would be the reason for a PIC-assembler beginner
*not* to use MPLAB ? At least for educational purposes ?

> They took the Parallax assembler which offer a nice alternative
> against classical MPLAB...

Deas it help a beginner to *learn* PIC assembler in any way ?

> so I use it extensively (the BTFSS/BTFSC
> are not my best friend, but JB/JZ/JC are).

Hardly an issue for a PIC beginner. And they will
probably intruduce more problems the they will solve.
JB/JZ/JC aren't PIC *instructions", right ? So they must
have been implemented as macros or something, introducing
yet other "interesting" issues a bit to early in the learning
process, IMHO.

Stick to MPLAB for the time beeing...

Best Regards,
Jan-Erik.

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2004\08\20@075716 by Olin Lathrop

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Zack wrote:
>         I'm looking for an assembler for PIC for Windows.  I think
> most people use MPASM, but it doesn't support the 16Fxxx series
> (except for 16F83/4).

Huh!?  MPASM support all PICs, and is definitely THE assembler to use on
Windows.


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2004\08\20@080131 by Olin Lathrop

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John J. McDonough wrote:
> without the MPLAB you're missing out on a whole lot.  Getting that
> whole lot does mean investing prodigious amounts of disk space,
> however.

Not really.  I have a full MPLAB installation and it only takes 134Mb on the
disk.  Now that disk cost less than $1/Gb, this is a few pennies of disk
space.  Big deal.


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2004\08\20@084734 by John J. McDonough

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> Not really.  I have a full MPLAB installation and it only takes 134Mb on
the
> disk.  Now that disk cost less than $1/Gb, this is a few pennies of disk
> space.  Big deal.

I agree that in terms of the current cost of DASD it's not a big deal.  I
sort of suspected, though, that someone who had a version of MPLAB that
didn't support more recent PICs may well be using a 486 or something and
might find 134 Mb to be a lot.  With my PIC Elmer course I exchange email
with folks from all over the planet, and there are a lot of places where
PC's (and disk) aren't as cheap as they are here.  It does susprise me to
find PIC hobbyists in places where a 20 gig drive can cost a month's pay,
but I guess people are driven to learn everywhere.  Gotta admit, I didn't
really study OP's post to get a clue as to where he might be.  Even here,
though, a few of my students are back on 5.x partly because of the space
needed for 6.x, which includes not only MPLAB itself, but at least Win98SE
(a LOT of folks out there are still on OE or even 95) and IE5.5 (still a few
IE 4 and lots of Netscape 3.x).

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2004\08\20@090016 by Sergio Masci

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> John J. McDonough wrote:
> > without the MPLAB you're missing out on a whole lot.  Getting that
> > whole lot does mean investing prodigious amounts of disk space,
> > however.
>
> Not really.  I have a full MPLAB installation and it only takes 134Mb on the
> disk.  Now that disk cost less than $1/Gb, this is a few pennies of disk
> space.  Big deal.

I was reminded recently that some people (students / hobbyists) with old
machines have problems with large discs. Some of these machines max out at 2GB
per disc and and some others at 8GB per disc.

Regards
Sergio Masci

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2004\08\20@091509 by Alan B. Pearce

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>> Not really.  I have a full MPLAB installation and it only
>> takes 134Mb on the disk.  Now that disk cost less than $1/Gb,
>> this is a few pennies of disk space.  Big deal.
>
>I was reminded recently that some people (students / hobbyists)
>with old machines have problems with large discs. Some of these
>machines max out at 2GB per disc and and some others at 8GB per disc.

Sure, but you also get the option to install only those bits you actually
want, so you do not have to fill the thing out to the maximum install, so at
this stage you do not put down the promate, ICD, PS+ etc files.

Also it is possible to clean up the install afterwards - remove all the 12x,
16c, 17x .DLL and .INC files, and generally weed out anything else not
required after the install.

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2004\08\20@095552 by Russell McMahon

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> I was reminded recently that some people (students / hobbyists) with old
> machines have problems with large discs. Some of these machines max out at
2GB
> per disc and and some others at 8GB per disc.

Getting off thread, but, MOST PC's will allow larger than 2GB or 8GB HDD by
using software provided free by the disk manufacturer. Certainly Seagate and
Maxtor do this. While some now extremely venerable PCs do not support LBA,
these would be getting extremely antique, even for students. Depends on
country of course. In NZ a 386 is a throwaway item (I'm still using one as a
video tape record keeper by my TV) and a 486 is largely the same. Pentiums
under about 150 MHz are not considered useful for much. A 400 MHz odd
Pentium equivalent costs maybe $US60 - $100.

       RM

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2004\08\20@102703 by Zack

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>> but it doesn't support the 16Fxxx series (except for 16F83/4).

>He he, it would be *very* interesting to see the source of *that*
>piece of information !!

If you go to the Microchip site *right now* and search for "MPASM" you will
find a download named "MPASM Assembler" dated 7-21-03 that does not support
the new 16Fxxx series.  It is a standalone version.  I found a more updated
one off Google.  If you don't believe me, go download it for yourself!

But, thank you any way for the information.  Very much appreciated.

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2004\08\20@123242 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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Zack wrote :

> If you go to the Microchip site *right now* and search for
> "MPASM" you will find a download named "MPASM Assembler"
> dated 7-21-03 that does not support the new 16Fxxx series.

If you actualy *download* that kit, open it in WinZIP, then opens
"readme.asm", it says on the first few lines :

"Release Notes for MPASM Version 2.14 22 May 98"

98 ?

I've no idea why this old kit is still available on-line. Some
misstake by Microchip maybe.

It realy doesn't matter, if you follow the links on the web page
to "Development tools", you will get to the correct MPLAB kit.

B.t.w., it's not much better to search for "MPLAB", you will
only get a number of links the another old kit (5.70).  Go figure...

Good luck !
Jan-Erik.

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2004\08\20@183150 by Grimm, Justin

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I recently downloaded the MPide which includes mpasm and supports all
the pics.

Justin

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Zack wrote :

> If you go to the Microchip site *right now* and search for
> "MPASM" you will find a download named "MPASM Assembler"
> dated 7-21-03 that does not support the new 16Fxxx series.

If you actualy *download* that kit, open it in WinZIP, then opens
"readme.asm", it says on the first few lines :

"Release Notes for MPASM Version 2.14 22 May 98"

98 ?

I've no idea why this old kit is still available on-line. Some
misstake by Microchip maybe.

It realy doesn't matter, if you follow the links on the web page
to "Development tools", you will get to the correct MPLAB kit.

B.t.w., it's not much better to search for "MPLAB", you will
only get a number of links the another old kit (5.70).  Go figure...

Good luck !
Jan-Erik.

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2004\08\20@183813 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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Grimm, Justin wrote :

> I recently downloaded the MPide which includes mpasm and supports all
> the pics.

"MPide" ?? What is that ?

If you are talking about the latest MPLAB (v6.60), then I don't
get your point. Of course it supports "all the pics".

Am I missing something ?

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2004\08\21@005706 by Grimm, Justin
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Sorry. the Microchip ide (mplab). And yes you are missing something...

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Grimm, Justin wrote :

> I recently downloaded the MPide which includes mpasm and supports all
> the pics.

"MPide" ?? What is that ?

If you are talking about the latest MPLAB (v6.60), then I don't
get your point. Of course it supports "all the pics".

Am I missing something ?

Jan-Erik.

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2004\08\21@083937 by Olin Lathrop

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Grimm, Justin wrote:
>>> I recently downloaded the MPide which includes mpasm and supports all
>>> the pics.
>>>
>>> "MPide" ?? What is that ?
>>
>> If you are talking about the latest MPLAB (v6.60), then I don't
>> get your point. Of course it supports "all the pics".
>>
>> Am I missing something ?
>
> Sorry. the Microchip ide (mplab). And yes you are missing something...

So are you going to tell us what you think that is, or risk being perceived
as an arrogant ...?


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2004\08\21@105242 by dr. Imre Bartfai

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Hi,

don't worry, the user may continue to use the uChip mnemonics. BTW they
are built-in macros imho. Of course, for a beginner it may or may not have
an advantage. I prefer it due to compactness, both on source program side
and resource usage (the DOS compiler is less, than 20 kByte, and the
compile time is practically zero). On the other hand, the PIC beginner may
have experiences with x51 series. It was the reason why this kind of
language was been produced.

Imre

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2004\08\21@225833 by Grimm, Justin

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Grimm, Justin wrote:
>>>> I recently downloaded the MPide which includes mpasm and supports all
>>>> the pics.
>>>>
>>>> "MPide" ?? What is that ?
>>>
>>> If you are talking about the latest MPLAB (v6.60), then I don't
>>> get your point. Of course it supports "all the pics".
>>>
>>> Am I missing something ?
>>
>> Sorry. the Microchip ide (mplab). And yes you are missing something...

>So are you going to tell us what you think that is, or risk being perceived
>as an arrogant ...?


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I do apologise for my comment, I make some stupid ones at times.
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2004\08\22@084153 by Jan-Erik Soderholm

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Grimm, Justin once wrote :

> >> Sorry. the Microchip ide (mplab). And yes you are missing
> >> something...

Olin then asked :

> > So are you going to tell us what you think that is, or risk
> > being perceived as an arrogant ...?

To which Justin replied (with a quote from the first post) :

> >>>> I recently downloaded the MPide which includes mpasm and
> >>>> supports all the pics.

Yes, you said so. What I (still) don't understand is what your point
was with telling us that in the first place. It was *that* point
I thought I was (and think I am) missing...

Again,
of course MPLAB "supports all the pics", what did you expect ??

Never mind...

Best Regards,
Jan-Erik.

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