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2014\05\24@200622 by Richard R. Pope

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Carl,
    I think that inactive support for XP will continue for sometime. It did so for all of the other versions of Windows. The registration requirement will eventually be dropped. Then windows update will no longer work. I would suggest making a sub-directory and downloading all of the updates to it. You can then burn this to a DVD. Do not finalize the DVD so that you can continuing writing to it. You can reinstall XP on to any machine that you desire.
    What will eventually kill XP is that there will be a point that software upgrades will require Win8.x or higher. Then you will have no choice but to upgrade. The big thing that I see is that the requirement for a hardware upgrade won't be required. If you have a machine that is 5 years old or newer it should be able to run Win8.x without any problems. This was not necessary true when 2000 and then XP first came out. Hardware that would easily run 98 would crawl with 2000. Hardware that easily ran 2000 would crawl with XP. Sometimes you could add a faster processor, more ram, and a faster video card. Other times the motherboard and all of the under lying hardware had to be replaced. Of course if you owned a dell or a gateway you had to buy a new case.
    BTW: I'm continuing to receive update notifications by way of automatic updates even though official support has been terminated.
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rich!

On 5/24/2014 5:44 PM, Carl Denk wrote:
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> Pick up a spare drive, use Clonezilla, one of the Disc manufacturer's
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> don't know if you could clone it to a DVD or Blueray disc.
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2014\05\24@204249 by John Guillory

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But what updates?  I get office and various 3rd party drivers no windows stuff

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2014\05\24@212353 by cdb

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Microsoft have ceased providing updates to home users for XP.
They have contracted to provide updates and support to certain business and governments who have paid them a sum of money to continue supporting their installs until those businesses and companies have moved to either W7 or W8.1.

As I understand it from my Technet subscription, the only update they may still provide to XP users is one where there is such a big security hole discovered that they feel bound to patch it.  I may have misunderstood this part.

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On Sat, 24 May 2014 19:42:45 -0500, John Guillory wrote:
:: But what updates?  I get office and various 3rd party drivers no
:: windows stuff

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2014\05\24@213805 by Richard R. Pope

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cdb,
    That is what they said but that isn't what has happened.
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2014\05\24@214427 by Bob Blick

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I am pretty sure that's only new updates. Updates from before the cutoff
date are still being offered to an XP machine of mine that I told to
"notify me of updates" right before the final XP update that warns you
how you are using an unsupported computer so go buy a new one, please.
And my virtual PC version of XP, that I have never done an update on,
reminds me regularly of 300-plus updates ready to download.

Cheers, Bob


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2014\05\24@215954 by IVP

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> And my virtual PC version of XP, that I have never done an update
> on, reminds me regularly of 300-plus updates ready to download.

The question is, what would happen if you allowed it to try and get
those updates ?

That's why I'm wondering whether to make an archive copy of XP
that is as up-to-date as the current install

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2014\05\24@222754 by John Gardner

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....I'm wondering whether to make an archive copy of XP...

My $0.02 HK - No amount of caution is un-warranted in

such things.

Granted, much of the apparent malevolence of M$ is simple

incompetence, but...
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2014\05\24@223337 by Bob Blick

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Fair enough question, so I tried it. I let it loose and it downloaded
"Package Installer for Windows", the first update that updates Windows
Update.

So it appears to work just fine.

Bob

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2014\05\24@225828 by IVP

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> I let it loose and it downloaded .....

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2014\05\25@062739 by Carl Denk

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I would think, if possible the thing to do, would be slipstream it all together on one CD, USB drive, or might be a DVD disc. Then could install it anytime. Slipstreaming isn't that difficult with some of the automated out there. Big question can you get all the updates that an IT would use for mass install.
On 5/24/2014 9:59 PM, IVP wrote:
>> And my virtual PC version of XP, that I have never done an update
>> on, reminds me regularly of 300-plus updates ready to download.
> The question is, what would happen if you allowed it to try and get
> those updates ?
>
> That's why I'm wondering whether to make an archive copy of XP
> that is as up-to-date as the current install
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> Joe

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2014\05\25@082154 by alan.b.pearce

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> And my virtual PC version of XP, that I have never done an update on,
> reminds me regularly of 300-plus updates ready to download.

That is because it is visible to the network just like a native PC. With the April cut-off date for XP support my local IT support were most insistent that any XP VPC be removed.

I would recommend you load at least SP3 on your VPC if it doesn't already have it.

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2014\05\26@135220 by David

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On 25/05/2014 01:06, Richard R. Pope wrote:
> Carl,
>      I think that inactive support for XP will continue for sometime. It
> did so for all of the other versions of Windows. The registration
> requirement will eventually be dropped.
>
> What will eventually kill XP is that there will be a point that
> software upgrades will require Win8.x or higher.

I agree here.

I recently downloaded the free Visual Studio 2013 Desktop Edition and
wrote a simple C program which did nothing special and only used the
standard Windows API.  I compiled the application as a 32 bit executable
and tried to run on Windows XP, with the relevant runtime environments.
This didn't work.

It turns out you need to specifically target WinXP by using a particular
profile.  This isn't obvious and if I hadn't tested I would never have
noticed.  The resulting executable works fine on any version of Windows
above XP.

I wonder how many apps will turn up on the internet that are compiled
without realising this, therefore will simply fail on XP.

David
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