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'[OT]Raspberry Pi by Easter perhaps?'
2011\12\23@182247 by cdb

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According to http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16316439 the GBP 16.00 (non network enabled, GBP 22.00 for enabled) machine is due to go into production early in 2012. They are 3 weeks behind schedule at this moment.

Apparently the first 10 boards produced are destined to be auctioned off.

Colin
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'[OT]Raspberry Pi by Easter perhaps?'
2012\01\05@063557 by Matt Rhys-Roberts
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Looking forward to getting one for myself to tinker with, but no idea what I'll use it for yet.

Matt



On 23/12/2011 23:22, cdb wrote:
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2012\01\05@144604 by Peter Loron

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I'm really looking forward to these. I'm hoping to be able to pair one with a cheap 7-10" touchscreen and have a cheap kitchen media device for listening to music, movies, recipe lookup, etc.

Also thinking about setting one up as an always-on Skype phone in the living room…

-Pete

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2012\01\05@145427 by Mike Hord

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I remain deeply skeptical of their ability to be profitable at this price
point.

Does anyone else have an opinion on that matter?

MikeH

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 4:22 PM, cdb <spam_OUTcolinTakeThisOuTspambtech-online.co.uk> wrote:

>  According to http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16316439 the GBP 16.00
> (non network enabled, GBP 22.00 for enabled) machine is due to go into
> production early in 2012. They are 3 weeks behind schedule at this moment..
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> Apparently the first 10 boards produced are destined to be auctioned off.
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> Coli

2012\01\05@150825 by Joshua Shriver

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Large volume buying and I believe low or no R&D costs, since it's a
volunteer effort and not-for-profit company.  Just look at all of the
$50 routers on the market, the SBC inside may be similiar but that $50
has to cover a full company, R&D, purchasing, shipping, storing,
salaries, retail markup, etc.

So $25-35 sounds possible imho.
-Josh

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Mike Hord <.....mike.hordKILLspamspam@spam@gmail.com> wrote:
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2012\01\05@153341 by Mike Hord

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MAYBE, but generally, even for a fairly small endeavor, I hear 2.5-3x markup
as the point where something is reasonably profitable- enough so to justify
the continued effort.

I find it hard to imagine that board being produced and on a shipping dock
awaiting an order for $8-10, without HUGE (millions) quantities behind it.

Maybe I'm thinking in the wrong decade?

MikeH

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Joshua Shriver <.....jshriverKILLspamspam.....gmail.com> wrote:

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2012\01\05@160637 by peter green

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Mike Hord wrote:
> MAYBE, but generally, even for a fairly small endeavor, I hear 2.5-3x markup
> as the point where something is reasonably profitable- enough so to justify
> the continued effort.
All depends on your volume and your goals, a small commercial operation has high
overheads compared to turnover and therefore it needs a high markup to both cover
those overheads, make a profit for it's owners and cover any projects that go bad.

The pi is a different ball game. They are a charity not a company and as such their
goal is not to make a profit*. Charities may of course make a profit on some
activities but making profit is a means not an end to them.

Also they have the support of broadcom. Presumablly from broadcom's point of
view this is seen as a combination of general charity and buying mindshare.

*As I understand it thier goal is to bring back a computer that kids can program,
tinker and generally have fun with. In contrast to the locked down PCs we see in
schools and the parents who are fearful of their kids messing up their PC at home
that we see today

2012\01\05@162035 by John Gardner

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....the goal is to bring back a computer that kids can
program, tinker and generally have fun with...

How cool is that?  :)  I have just such a kid in mind - And maybe a big
kid too...  Thanks for the heads-up.

Jac

2012\01\05@183251 by William \Chops\ Westfield

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On Jan 5, 2012, at 11:54 AM, Mike Hord wrote:

> I remain deeply skeptical of their ability to be profitable

Aren't they set up as a non-profit charitable organization?  In that case, they don't have to make a profit...

Questions about whether it is a good idea for a non-profifit organization to undercut real products are more philosophical.  Would it really be a good thing for a $25 Rasberry Pi to put the $30 Arduino out of business?  Probably not.  (But then, vendors are already trying with their subsidized "evaluation boards.")

BillW

2012\01\05@184918 by John Gardner

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Perhaps the RP is an Arduino precursor - Better yet, someone
might create a RP pgming suite for the AVR - Or PIC ..

2012\01\05@190807 by Mike Hord

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I should be clear, when I say "profitable" I mean "make enough money to pay
the necessary rents, salaries, and production costs".

Perhaps they're depending on donations or subsidy from their non-profit
status to sell these things as close to the bone as possible, but I doubt
it.

Time will tell. I do want to go on the record as saying I'd be *thrilled*
to see them succeed and at $25 (or $35 for a networked one) I will almost
certainly by one or three.

MikeH

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 4:32 PM, William "Chops" Westfield <@spam@westfwKILLspamspammac.com>wrote:

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2012\01\06@022134 by Electron

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At 20.54 2012.01.05, you wrote:
>I remain deeply skeptical of their ability to be profitable at this price
>point.
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>Does anyone else have an opinion on that matter?

They don't want to profit, simple. David Braben is a great guy and a guarantee
that things are done the right way, from hardware to software and all the rest
he's involved in.


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2012\01\06@043325 by alan.b.pearce

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> MAYBE, but generally, even for a fairly small endeavor, I hear 2.5-3x markup as the
> point where something is reasonably profitable- enough so to justify the continued
> effort.
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> I find it hard to imagine that board being produced and on a shipping dock awaiting
> an order for $8-10, without HUGE (millions) quantities behind it.
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> Maybe I'm thinking in the wrong decade?
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> MikeH

If you watch the video interview of Tom Osbourne by Steve Leibson on 'How HP got its first Calculators', Tom makes the observation that as engineers they found that multiplying the parts cost by pi gave a pretty good indicator of the sell price.

See http://www.viddler.com/explore/sleibson/videos/4/ for the interview. (also check out the interview with the guy who did the software for the calculators).


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2012\01\06@055533 by RussellMc

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> Tom makes the observation that as engineers they found that multiplying the parts cost by pi gave a pretty good indicator of the sell price.

If that's Raspberry Pi it's liable to get you in a jam.


        Russel

2012\01\06@060435 by alan.b.pearce

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> > Tom makes the observation that as engineers they found that multiplying the parts
> cost by pi gave a pretty good indicator of the sell price.
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> If that's Raspberry Pi it's liable to get you in a jam.

In his case it was circular pi, but maybe that is going in circles ... ;)))


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2012\01\06@112121 by YES NOPE9

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On Jan 6, 2012, at 3:54 AM, RussellMc wrote:

> Tom makes the observation that as engineers they found that multiplying the parts cost by pi gave a pretty good indicator of the sell price.

If that's Raspberry Pi it's liable to get you in a jam.


       Russell


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