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'[OT]More power savers - endorsed by Channel 7 Toda'
2011\01\31@065837 by cdb

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This is an awful program i try not to watch, but this was a must see.

Unfortunately there is no online clip for tonight's 'expose', but I particularly like the electrician who explained, that it,

" prevents magnetic radiation which is known to cause cancer and, (I like this) it stops dirty power, with the device switched off the LCD display has a reading of 129 which is dirty power, with it switched on , see? It goes down to less than 50".  One hundred and twenty nine whats (no pun intended) down to 50 ??????

A man from the university of Panacea (is that really a university?) has done extensive studies and can guarantee it works and everyone is stupid if they don't buy one.  Looks like a dressed up power factor correction gizmo to me, but I could be wrong.

http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/article/8749468/consumer/power-saver

http://www.earthwisepowersavers.com.au/index.html

I have fired off a missive to Today Tonight Tomorrow NextWeek. It will be interesting if I hear back.

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2011\01\31@071535 by IVP

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> I have fired off a missive to Today Tonight Tomorrow NextWeek.
> It will be interesting if I hear back

A letter to newspaper(s) TV critic might be an idea too, they love
poking the borax

Is Today Tonight a "current" affairs program ;-)

2011\01\31@072354 by cdb

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:: Is Today Tonight a "current" affairs program

Well they certainly have the 'power' to motivate unthinking masses. Many people seem to get there 'news' from programs like these rather than boring in depth news reports.

Did you see the price of these things? AU$1300 - $1700. That's one expensive capacitrator (sic) in that puppy.

And, they are trying to persuade the state government to mandate them for properties. Actually I wonder if CH7 were paid to run this as an infomercial.

I can't believe the CSIRO actually endorse the product.

Colin
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2011\01\31@074317 by alan.b.pearce

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> I can't believe the CSIRO actually endorse the product.

Probably worth calling them to ask the nature of the endorsement - probably find that they do not really endorse it.
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'[OT]More power savers - endorsed by Channel 7 Toda'
2011\02\01@233526 by Jonathan Hallameyer
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Why doesnt he show the current draw with the unit on and the motor off :o)

-Jon

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 6:58 AM, cdb <colinspamKILLspambtech-online.co.uk> wrote:
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2011\02\02@034723 by RussellMc

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While on the general theme.
You may wish to set  your Ozzie watchdogs on these people:
If it DOES in fact include an ioniser you can take the last item off the list.
If the thermal time constant of the over temperature cutout is < 1 uS
you can remove item 2.
They are selling one of these on the local auction site and it seemed
that it may suit my requirement so I went looking for information on
it.

       http://www.topbuy.com.au/tbcart/pc/2000-Watt-Ceramic-Wall-Heater-White-AH28LTI-p1934.htm

Using the more efficient Ceramic heating element means the heater's
operating temperature is lower so that it is even below the burning
temperature of paper

....

The built in over heating thermal cut off mechanism activates in a
millionth of a second to doubly ensure your safety.
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The latest in heater design using a ceramic heating element

Massive surface area for high heating efficiency

Built in ioniser for cleaner, fresher air

2011\02\02@050952 by cdb

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:: Using the more efficient Ceramic heating element means the heater's
:: operating temperature is lower so that it is even below the burning
:: temperature of paper

What is heavier a ton of feathers or a ton of lead? For the metric centric people pretend that's tonnes.

What is hotter a red hot poker with the heat equivalent of 2000W or 1 bar wire wound 2kW heater?

I see the answers in their Q&A are as enlightening as the lack of questions.

Colin

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2011\02\02@062848 by Isaac Marino Bavaresco

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Em 2/2/2011 06:46, RussellMc escreveu:
> Using the more efficient Ceramic heating element means the heater's
> operating temperature is lower so that it is even below the burning
> temperature of paper


The only thing one can do to energy at 100% efficiency is to waste it. I
don't see how their heating element can be more efficient than any other
model, unless the other models waste energy by radiating a lot of RF or
mechanical vibration (sound) to the outside of the room.


> ....
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> The built in over heating thermal cut off mechanism activates in a
> millionth of a second to doubly ensure your safety.
> ....


That's silly, the thermal mass inertia should be enormous, perhaps
taking several seconds to minutes to stabilize.


Isaac

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2011\02\02@064545 by RussellMc

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> What is heavier a ton of feathers or a ton of lead? For the metric centric
> people pretend that's tonnes.

I would like to throw a feather while (I was) standing on the moon.

> What is hotter a red hot poker with the heat equivalent of 2000W or 1 bar
> wire wound 2kW heater?

They will be at different temperatures.
Assuming the heater is on :-) and running at rated power :-) then the
one with the least  effective radiating area is liable to be hotter,
as long as eg there are not also conduction paths to deal with.

But, if you has asked which would heat a sealed room more effectively,
I'd have said that the weight of the aircraft presses on the ground
beneath it.



                Russel

2011\02\02@065714 by cdb

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:: hey will be at different temperatures.
:: Assuming the heater is on :-) and running at rated power :-) then
:: the one with the least  effective radiating area is liable to be
:: hotter, as long as eg there are not also conduction paths to deal with.

Yes, I used a poor comparison. The point I was, well pointing out, was their statement that the heaters operating temperature was lower, Apart from the obvious question 'lower than what?'. If we are to assume that it has a heating capacity of 2kW, then you can't have a cool 2kW of heat, unless they are referring to input power (I just realised that is what they mean).

The manual refers to it being able to oscillate.

Colin
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2011\02\03@232239 by Jonathan Hallameyer

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On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 6:57 AM, cdb <colinspamspam_OUTbtech-online.co.uk> wrote:
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Sure you can have a "cooler" 2kw of heat.  you have a 12" x 24"
ceramic element vs a 4" x 4" ceramic element, both dissipating 2kw
with the same airflow per area, the 4x4 will be much hotter.    I have
a 600w heat gun that goes to 1200F , a 1500w under desk heater which
is probably only 130-150f out the front.

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