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> Quoting Peter > > > > ... I also > > think that there should be some kind of special license for cars modded for > > racing, and that that should be made obvious from the outside of the car too > > (different colored license plates etc). > > ... Good luck with that in the US, especially the south :) Is there a reason for singling out cars modded for racing? Are they hazardous or something? Cheers, Bob -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an unladen european swallow

Racing modifications come in to classes of issues: Safety: On the road, tires must meet DOT (Federal Department of Transportation) specifications (could meet racing regulations also) would be the more obvious one Emissions: Exhaust systems, intake systems (carb or injection), and others must meet the appropriate regulations. After market (racing) equipment is available that meets the appropriate emmissions regualtions and comes with a certificate stating that. California has stricter regulations, and for vehicles registered there, must meet the requirements. To browse some of the equipment see summitracing.com, and check out tires, exhaust systems, and intake systems. ---- Bob Blick <spam_OUTbobblickTakeThisOuTftml.net> wrote: {Quote hidden}> > Quoting Peter > > > > > > > ... I also > > > think that there should be some kind of special license for cars modded for > > > racing, and that that should be made obvious from the outside of the car too > > > (different colored license plates etc). > > > ... > > Good luck with that in the US, especially the south :) > > Is there a reason for singling out cars modded for racing? Are they > hazardous or something? > > Cheers, > > Bob > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an > unladen european swallow > > --

On Fri, 21 May 2010 12:15:37 -0500, cdenk said: > Racing modifications come in to classes of issues: > Safety: On the road, tires must meet DOT (Federal Department of > Transportation) specifications (could meet racing regulations also) would > be the more obvious one > Emissions: Exhaust systems, intake systems (carb or injection), and > others must meet the appropriate regulations. After market (racing) > equipment is available that meets the appropriate emmissions regualtions > and comes with a certificate stating that. California has stricter > regulations, and for vehicles registered there, must meet the > requirements. Understood, however, Peter suggested wanting special markings on the outside of the car. Why? And why single out cars with performance modifications? I have Porterfield brake pads, why would I need to warn other drivers, yet the car with worn-out brakes travels invisibly? This is kind of a dumb offshoot of a mostly obvious thread, I don't know why I am even bothering to participate, but I would like to hear from Peter what his thoughts were. Cheerful regards, Bob -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service.

Exactly my point also -- what is the purpose of being able to identify (or more appropriately: single out) those with mods? I just put on some springs/shocks on my car, for racing. Does it mean I need to publicly point this out? Does it matter what type I put on? They're actually from a sport-version of my car (and I did that on purpose, as autocrossing rules allow me to stay in stock class with these). So now do I need to be publicly singled-out as having a modded car? And how do I differ from those who bought the car with the sport option in the first place? And why do my mods require me to be different from say someone with a stock CTS-V (556hp). Really curious what's your motivation behind this. I also don't generally get into these discussions, but it bugs me that ideas for rules like this are being thrown out with seemingly little thought. And it reminds me of tickets being handed out for "having racing parts" on a car on the street. -Neil. Quoting Bob Blick <.....bobblickKILLspam@spam@ftml.net>: {Quote hidden}> > On Fri, 21 May 2010 12:15:37 -0500, cdenk said: >> Racing modifications come in to classes of issues: >> Safety: On the road, tires must meet DOT (Federal Department of >> Transportation) specifications (could meet racing regulations also) would >> be the more obvious one >> Emissions: Exhaust systems, intake systems (carb or injection), and >> others must meet the appropriate regulations. After market (racing) >> equipment is available that meets the appropriate emmissions regualtions >> and comes with a certificate stating that. California has stricter >> regulations, and for vehicles registered there, must meet the >> requirements. > > Understood, however, Peter suggested wanting special markings on the > outside of the car. Why? And why single out cars with performance > modifications? I have Porterfield brake pads, why would I need to warn > other drivers, yet the car with worn-out brakes travels invisibly? > > This is kind of a dumb offshoot of a mostly obvious thread, I don't know > why I am even bothering to participate, but I would like to hear from > Peter what his thoughts were. > > Cheerful regards, > > Bob > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. > > -

To flog a dead horse, rehash a much hashed discussion and enter an unwinnable battlefield ... :-) : >> Racing modifications come in to classes of issues: >> Safety: On the road, tires must meet DOT (Federal Department of >> Transportation) specifications (could meet racing regulations also) would >> be the more obvious one ... > Understood, however, Peter suggested wanting special markings on the > outside of the car. Why? And why single out cars with performance > modifications? I have Porterfield brake pads, why would I need to warn > other drivers, yet the car with worn-out brakes travels invisibly? ... The original statement, not by me, was necessarily short and concise, but I'd hope that the following does some justice to its spirit. Brave and myopic be the man (or woman) who would claim that there is no correlation between "hotted up cars" as a group, and increased hazard to uninvolved road users. The reasons for the correlation are varied with some being well known, some being poorly or not understood, and some being just Murphy at work. In some cases its the danger from illegal mods, in some cases the mindset that goes to a very variable extent with performance autos, varying amounts of testosterone and more. Odds are there is SOME correlation between safely and properly implemented high performance mods and increased danger to other road users. And, in many cases, there may be no statistically significant correlations and in some cases (such as the superior braking systems) the danger level MAY fall. And may not. You can choose to argue your own specialist niche ("People who fit Ajax triple turbos with 25 lbf boost are all mature competent drivers with spotless safety records, good attitudes, superb skills AND its not guns that kill people, its ... ") OR you can recognise that there is SOME sort of social contract case to answer overall and see what can be done to allow everyone to cooperate with maximal net satisfaction. Many people seem to go for the former choice :-). If modifications above a certain class, or neck jerking performance that may catch other road users unawares, or that may encourage the boys in us all, required you to carry a red border around your number plate AND if that 'warning' served to satisfy the demands of social contract, then it may be a reasonable price to pay. My unmodified supercharged MR2 (mouldering) probably deserves one (if it ever gets back on road). Russell