Post by thread:[OT] thoughts about RBPI

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 7:47 PM, YES NOPE9 <spam_OUTyesTakeThisOuTnope9.com> wrote: >> Could you explain why you are so concerned about this project that you feel the need to become an "RBPI Troll" and annoy them by asking so many "probing questions"? It's a cheap and functional single board computer running Linux, apart from the price there really is nothing amazing about this project. RS and Farnell are major companies with a reputation to uphold, they would not be involved if they felt they could not deliver, and if it does all go pair-shaped then you will get your money back. >> >> Don't get caught in the media hype and you'll be happier for it. >> >> Mike >> >> ========= > > Could you explain why you felt the need to comment on my focus on RPBI ? If you can.... then that would be my explanation as well..... > Gus Hmm, now let's think. This is the PIClist isn't it? That's a discussion e-mail list? You posted to the PIClist didn't you? Convention is that posting to a discussion list invites discussion about what you've posted - please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm a little confused about how you're planning on using that as an explanation for being an RBPI troll, but please feel free to make the attempt. Chris

{Quote hidden}> > On Mar 7, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Chris McSweeny wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 7:47 PM, YES NOPE9 <.....yesKILLspam@spam@nope9.com> wrote: >>> Could you explain why you are so concerned about this project that you feel the need to become an "RBPI Troll" and annoy them by asking so many "probing questions"? It's a cheap and functional single board computer running Linux, apart from the price there really is nothing amazing about this project. RS and Farnell are major companies with a reputation to uphold, they would not be involved if they felt they could not deliver, and if it does all go pair-shaped then you will get your money back. >>> >>> Don't get caught in the media hype and you'll be happier for it. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> ========= >> >> Could you explain why you felt the need to comment on my focus on RPBI ? If you can.... then that would be my explanation as well..... >> Gus > > Hmm, now let's think. This is the PIClist isn't it? That's a > discussion e-mail list? You posted to the PIClist didn't you? > Convention is that posting to a discussion list invites discussion > about what you've posted - please correct me if I'm wrong. > > I'm a little confused about how you're planning on using that as an > explanation for being an RBPI troll, but please feel free to make the > attempt. *try being less confused* > > Chris If we discuss events or technical issues we are in the realm of the PIClist..... critiquing someone's lifestyle... not so much... also... the fact that RBPI calls me a troll does not make me a troll ..... the fact that you ( Chris ) posted to the PIClist does not mean I can start in on you personally.. Nor would I want to.... RBPI is a business..... they are taking orders and collecting money .... they are fair game for probing questions about their business practices..... I am annoyed that I am even writing this... Gus

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 9:01 PM, YES NOPE9 <yesKILLspamnope9.com> wrote: > the fact that you ( Chris ) posted to the PIClist does not mean I can start in on you personally. Feel free to discuss anything I've posted on here under an OT tag - if I wasn't happy with it being discussed I'd not have posted it. > RBPI is a business..... they are taking orders and collecting money .... they are fair game for probing questions about their business practices...... Here we come back to the misunderstanding about what RPi is, or rather what it isn't. It's designed to be something cheap to go into schools to teach kids, not as a platform for hobbyists. The RPi foundation is also a charity, so will answer certain questions about it's business practices to those who can demand answers. I have no connection with RPi, but as somebody involved with IT in schools (and two children who might benefit from this) I have a vested interest in its success. Chri

Only glances at PICList admin hat in corner. Grins at attached "Still clueless" label that somebody recently affixed to it Decides to not don said hat. _____________ > Now it may be that RS and Farnell are authorized to produce boards. 1. Farnell & RS are not known for entering into complex large scale conspiracies in order to defraud their customers or for other reasons. 2. Farnell & RS are liable to have enough business sense to not do due diligence and so risk being caught up in a major product scam. SO http://nz.element14.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/sbc-raspberry-pi-model-b/dp/2081185?ICID=ap-rpi-hwb and http://newzealand.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi Go a very very long way to making your expressed concerns seem like conspiracy theory and trolling. ie both Farnell & RS seem to be totally convinced 9with RP featuring at the top of their NZ home page) and to further your theories you'd need to address these "facts" more solidly than by just saying "Now it may be that RS and Farnell are authorized to produce boards" _________________ Your wonderings about how Broadcom may react to enthusiastic application of the product seems more valid - but a matter of opinion and unknowable. I'd guess that if sales start in the millions range and escalate into the potential 10's to 100's of millions then Broadcom will be happier that any undermining is being done with their ICs and not somebody else's. Consider the OLPC promise. $100 laptop. Getting there but not there yet. Consider the RP possibility. Keyboard & mouse from best current source. New or used. Monitors of almost any sort from wherever you can get them. New or used. Overall integration around core as many groups see fit. Go! Russel

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:48 PM, John Gardner <.....goflo3KILLspam.....gmail.com> wrote: > The way I hear it, Gus operates some sort of electronic education > non-profit; professional courtesy suggests some standing... > > Personally I think he's more of a radiator troll, but that's a diffferent > story... :) > Dear sir, I don't think he's a troll at all. In my opinion the situation is being handled extremely unprofessionally by Raspberry Pi personnel. In addition, the usage of slang terminology commonplace among today's Internet-using youth further adds to their discredit

RS say: We have received extraordinary levels of demand for this product. To help ensure as many people as possible can experience the Raspberry Pi concept, we are limiting boards to one per customer, and we will send you further information on your request in the next seven days. Once we receive the boards into stock, they will be allocated on a first-come first-serve basis, in order of when requests were received. ______________ I just ordered one from Farnament14el (delivery when available), and registered interest with RS. Price is ~$48 NZ + GST in each case. That's ~~~ $US36+. The RS writer's use of written English is of interest. Little things, but not up to the standard that I would have expected of them. Russell On 8 March 2012 15:53, RussellMc <EraseMEapptechnzspam_OUTTakeThisOuTgmail.com> wrote: {Quote hidden}> Only glances at PICList admin hat in corner. > Grins at attached "Still clueless" label that somebody recently affixed to it > Decides to not don said hat. > _____________ > >> Now it may be that RS and Farnell are authorized to produce boards. > > 1. Farnell & RS are not known for entering into complex large scale > conspiracies in order to defraud their customers or for other reasons. > > 2. Farnell & RS are liable to have enough business sense to not do due > diligence and so risk being caught up in a major product scam. > > SO > > http://nz.element14.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/sbc-raspberry-pi-model-b/dp/2081185?ICID=ap-rpi-hwb > > and > > http://newzealand.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypi > > Go a very very long way to making your expressed concerns seem like > conspiracy theory and trolling. > > ie both Farnell & RS seem to be totally convinced 9with RP featuring > at the top of their NZ home page) and to further your theories you'd > need to address these "facts" more solidly than by just saying > "Now it may be that RS and Farnell are authorized to produce boards" > > _________________ > > Your wonderings about how Broadcom may react to enthusiastic > application of the product seems more valid - but a matter of opinion > and unknowable. > I'd guess that if sales start in the millions range and escalate into > the potential 10's to 100's of millions then Broadcom will be happier > that any undermining is being done with their ICs and not somebody > else's. > > Consider the OLPC promise. $100 laptop. Getting there but not there yet. > > Consider the RP possibility. > Keyboard & mouse from best current source. New or used. > Monitors of almost any sort from wherever you can get them. New or used. > Overall integration around core as many groups see fit. > Go! > > > > Russell

On Thu, 8 Mar 2012 16:37:34 +1300, RussellMc wrote: :: Price is ~$48 NZ + GST in each case. What?? I've been swindled, AU$ 38.00 + 10% GST (freight included for online orders) here, that makes you a whole $1.00 cheaper. That's it I'm off to complain and demand 10 XXXXXXL teashirts in compensation! I mean how am I ever to become a zillionaire if I allow such underhand shinnannigins (how the hell is that spelt?) to go unfettered? Blows frambroiseries at all and sundry. Colin PS. RS for two days listed at AU$ 50.00 and then reconsidered now at $38 as per E-14. -- cdb, colinspam_OUTbtech-online.co.uk on 8/03/2012 Web presence: http://www.btech-online.co.uk Hosted by: http://www.justhost.com.au This email is to be considered private if addressed to a named individual or Personnel Department, and public if addressed to a blog, forum or news article.

> :: Price is ~$48 NZ + GST in each case. > What?? I've been swindled, AU$ 38.00 + 10% GST (freight included for > online > orders) here, that makes you a whole $1.00 cheaper. That's it I'm off to > complain and demand 10 XXXXXXL teashirts in compensation! I mean how am I > ever to become a zillionaire if I allow such underhand shinnannigins (how > the hell is that spelt?) to go unfettered? > > Blows frambroiseries at all and sundry. RS would be local freight extra I think . Farnell offer free freight from Australia on NZ orders over $40 pre GST, which this qualifies for. They did say something about the pricing being the price within NZ or summat so they probably figured that in already. While everyone is waiting for the Pi to be served, would someone please port Windows XP supercutdown [tm] to it so we can run old small Windows apps on it. This may require a certain amount of binary magic :-). Failing that (which is very likely) what would be a very very very good idea is for someone to provide a super handholding Windows_user friendly distro of the Linux flavour of their choice so that when the Windows world wakes up to the new toy there will be something ready and waiting to seduce them to the light-side. The more usual "Linux is not at all bad once you get to know it" approach will be good enough for many, but not for the masses. Russell

::While everyone is waiting for the Pi to be served, would someone ::please port Windows XP supercutdown [tm] It will be interesting to see if the Windows 8 Arm version will run on the Pi, though of course the Pi fraternity might frown at this seeing as how the idea is to provide teaching material cheaply. What I'm waiting for is the port to RISCOS to be complete, Acorn Archimedes (BBC computer) heaven. I believe one of the programming environments is to be Python. Colin -- cdb, @spam@colinKILLspambtech-online.co.uk on 8/03/2012 Web presence: http://www.btech-online.co.uk Hosted by: http://www.justhost.com.au This email is to be considered private if addressed to a named individual or Personnel Department, and public if addressed to a blog, forum or news article.