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'[OT] suggestion for dealing with "noise"'
1999\09\28@012250 by William K. Borsum

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Hi All:
Just got to get my penny's worth in again...

Some years ago I was a moderator at a rather large conference.  As usual
there were a few folks who insisted on carrying on loud conversations in
the auditorium during the talks.  During the first lunch break, a number of
people came to me as a "representative of authority" and cried, pleaded,
begged and threatened me to please DO something about this extreme
discourtesy to the other attendees.

After the break, I pointed out to the audience that many things don't work
in our lives, and the lives of others because no one is willing to take
personal responsibility for fixing the situation--they would rather let
"the authorities" handle it.  I suggested that if the folks in the audience
found the situation getting out of hand, then the offenders should be
gently and lovingly corrected.  my intention was that those around the
chatterboxes should get them aside and suggest they take their
conversations out into the foyer.

Things went well for an hour or so, and all was quiet until, inevitably,
the chatterboxes started up again.  Almost in unison, 750 people turned
towards them and said SHUSH.

Its a thought.  If I got multiple messages (OFF THE LIST PLEASE!) telling
me to SHUSH, there's a chance I might get the idea that my conduct was not
appropriate.

Kelly


William K. Borsum, P.E. -- OEM Dataloggers and Instrumentation Systems
<spam_OUTborsumTakeThisOuTspamdascor.com> & <http://www.dascor.com>San Diego, California, USA

1999\09\28@091324 by Stevens, Kurt

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I like this idea, but I believe it would have to work in conjunction with an
agreed upon list of what constituted unacceptable postings. These might
include:

personal attacks
religion
politics
spam

Is there a set of guidlines that defines limits for posting to the piclist,
and if not, why not?

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1999\09\28@150152 by Mark Willis

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I'll re-post the Mini-FAQ soonly, it covers all this (Need to go get
things done today.)

 Mark

Stevens, Kurt wrote:
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1999\09\29@230832 by Brian Kraut

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I don't think it would be at all impolite for you or Jory to butt in on
religious/political/otherwise non technical and non contributory posts and say
when it is time to take it offline for those that can't figure it ot for
themselves.

Mark Willis wrote:

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1999\09\30@201843 by Richard Graziano

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How about setting one day, say Friday, for religious and political OT?

Brian Kraut wrote:

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> > > > William K. Borsum, P.E. -- OEM Dataloggers and Instrumentation Systems
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1999\09\30@220417 by Steve Kelley

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Since most everyone receiving the *list* is interested in coding . . . . . why
not just * code* the topics , to allow the best filtering possible.  I know with
*outlook express* , I can setup inbox assistant to perform all of it automatically.
Stashing each topic catagory in a separate folder for later viewing / deleting.
What could be so hard about that !   I would suggest the following example and
there could be a rule that if a subscriber doesn't abide by the coding then they
can have their email locked out of the server .

-    No Code    =    Pic Related Topic Only

-    [OT]            =    Off Topic , but related to electronics or programming

-    [PT]            =    Personal Topics

So . . . with that , I can setup inbox assistant to * flush * the mailbox , less what I
want to see.   Gee !!!  especially useful for those lengthy mid-western thunderstorms
that keep you off line long enough to accumilate 150 + messages !!!

Regards . . .
                           Steve

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1999\09\30@224350 by Jim Paul

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To all,

It seems to me the SOLUTIONS are worse than the PROBLEM.
More bandwidth is being used figuring out a solution to a problem
than the problem itself is causing.  What's the big deal?  True, I
don't host the list, and also true, I am not the one who started the
list, but considering that Jory and Mark have the responsibility to
be master of the list, I say they should be allowed to make the decision
as to what, if anything , should be done.  If they ask for help and/or
suggestions, by all means oblige.  But I'm sorry, I just don't see the
problem.
This list and it's members are too valuable a resource for legitimate PIC
problem and questions to be squabbling over petty insignificant OT
posts.   They are usually short lived.   And if people who frequent the
list don't like it, they can always move on.  I don't have an attitude here
either.  I just think that with anything like this on the internet, or
anywhere
for that matter, where countless people have access to the resource,
there are going to be topics that are posted that aren't popular with
everyone.
This is human nature and should be expected.  It doesn't have to be liked
or appreciated, but how can anyone realistically draw a line?  If you do,
you'll please 10 people and offend 20 more.  It just seems to me to be a
situation where no matter what you do, there will always be a loser.  Maybe
even  the same situation if you do nothing.   Maybe I'm overstepping my
bounds, and if I am, let me know and I'll cease and desist.  One last thing,
then I'll hush.  As far as I'm concerned, the OT posts aren't bothersome.
If I'm not interested, I don't read them and blow them away.  Otherwise, I
do read them.  And lots of time I pick up something I didn't know before.
Some things posted, (not many mind you), upset  me occasionally.  But
I just remember that to the author, that may be important to them, and who
am I to condemn what they have to say?  Yes, I know that this list is not
the proper place to discuss some of these subjects, especially the
controversial ones such as religeon and politics, but it's not a perfect
world.
As I've stated before, I get enough value from the WHEAT of the list to get
lost in the CHAFF.  I guess what I'm trying to say is that from my point of
view, I get lots of information from this list regarding PIC's and other
subjects,
and anything dealing with subjects other than PIC's, if I don't like it,
I'll just delete
it and go on my merry way.   I don't let the OT posts or controversial posts
bother me.  But this is from a user point of view.  If I were the master of
the
list, or was providing the server space for the site, I may (probably) have
a
different point of view and different motivations.   Anyway, that't how I
feel
about the subject.   And if anyone thinks I'm out of line here, let me know
and I'll not sound off again.

                                                               Regards and
Thanks for listening,


Jim





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'[OT] suggestion for dealing with "noise"'
1999\10\02@033156 by Janko
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I wote, none religious and political OT. There are another one groups
for it.
Richard, have you any friends for yack?

Jan.
>
> How about setting one day, say Friday, for religious and political OT?
>
> Brian Kraut wrote:
>
> > I don't think it would be at all impolite for you or Jory to butt in on
> > religious/political/otherwise non technical and non contributory posts and s
ay
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> > > > agreed upon list of what constituted unacceptable postings. These might
> > > > include:
> > > >
> > > > personal attacks
> > > > religion
> > > > politics
> > > > spam
> > > >
> > > > Is there a set of guidlines that defines limits for posting to the picli
st,
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> > > > > there were a few folks who insisted on carrying on loud conversations
in
> > > > > the auditorium during the talks.  During the first lunch break, a numb
er
> > > > > of
> > > > > people came to me as a "representative of authority" and cried, pleade
d,
> > > > > begged and threatened me to please DO something about this extreme
> > > > > discourtesy to the other attendees.
> > > > >
> > > > > After the break, I pointed out to the audience that many things don't
work
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> > > > > the chatterboxes started up again.  Almost in unison, 750 people turne
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> > > > > towards them and said SHUSH.
> > > > >
> > > > > Its a thought.  If I got multiple messages (OFF THE LIST PLEASE!) tell
ing
> > > > > me to SHUSH, there's a chance I might get the idea that my conduct was
not
> > > > > appropriate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kelly
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > William K. Borsum, P.E. -- OEM Dataloggers and Instrumentation Systems
> > > > > <RemoveMEborsumspam_OUTspamKILLspamdascor.com> & <http://www.dascor.com>San Diego, California, USA
> > > > >

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